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Knut The Polar Bear Dies

Hits: 19700 | Rating: (2.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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WeinerD0g
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 39 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:04:40 AM
I should NOT be laughing but I can't help it...did it have an aneurysm? It appeared to be going around and round in circles until it seized :(

skyblue_15
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 207 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 6:16:50 PM
Apparently the autopsy found that he had brain problems... The mother probably knew from the moment he was born that something was wrong with him.

gyro231995
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 36 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:23:23 PM
LOL.

gyro231995
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 36 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:20:40 PM
LOL.

SapphireHart
Female, 18-29, Europe
 414 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:06:07 PM
"That is exactly the kind of anthropocentric thinking that allows such terrible things as zoos to exist. "

FAIL of the largest kind. Whilst zoos used to be primarily for human benefit, zoological parks are now primarily used for the conservation of many endangered species through breeding programs using log books to keep the gene pool as diverse as possible with wild types bred in in order to prevent loss of traits, reintroduction programs back in to the wild and are huge educational resources for learning about how to look after our planet and what is in it.

SapphireHart
Female, 18-29, Europe
 414 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 5:02:01 PM
Perhaps the reason for his mother's rejection when he was a cub was that there has always been some underlying health problem with him? But then one would have thought the vets might have picked up on a major health problem sooner... It's very sad though what happened.

@auburnjuinky Nature's primary aim is to create the strongest and fittest offspring for survival of the species, weaklings and disabled young will usually be left behind or abandoned in the animal kingdom because they will not become the strongest and best for reproduction. Harsh but natural. What would happen if a human did this? In many poorer Countries not a lot, children with something wrong with them are often seen as curses on the family and will therefore be mistreated and/or abandoned, and I have seen this first hand. However because we humans reason and think in terms of the welfare of all we have created ways to keep such offspring alive and in many cases their lives are fairly enjoyable.

yoimmylene
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 2086 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 3:01:44 PM
... ;-;

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 872 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:57:59 PM
@auburnjunky, and that is exactly what I was talking about. If you sanitize and area and poison the rest of the planet, you have problems depending on scale. If you simply try to poison the bed bugs, you will create poison resistant bed bugs and the collateral damage would permanently change ecosystems beyond their ability to adjust. The food chain would begin to collapse. If you opted for the scorched earth approach outside of your area, you would now depend on one incredibly fragile ecosystem that would probably be undone by a simple virus. Either option, your plan has killed every living human.

My point is that nature should be respected or it will kick our ass. Nature laughs at our bombs and poisons. Until technology gets to a point where we can manufacture our own food, control the climate, and purify the air and water, we had better understand that we are apart of nature and not above it.

artillery
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 18 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:45:00 PM
I think most would say it is inhumane to abandon children. Which is why humans who do this, and there are those monsters out there who have abandoned a child before, are considered monsters, or less than human in some way.

Nature can be a cruel thing, and animals understand that. If an animals offspring doesn't have the capacity to hunt and survive, then why "waste" the resources to raise it when it will only end up dying in the end?

I do agree, it is inhumane, but I also believe that nature is about the furthest thing away from "Humane" as possible. Indeed, the wild is in most cases seen as evil in some way, thus why "pagan" nature worshipers were hunted in the darker parts of human history.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10093 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:31:28 PM
"What does IAB think?"

I think it's weird that it is naturally acceptable for parents of offspring that have something wrong with them to abandon them. What would happen if a human did this?

valleybronco
Female, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:26:56 PM
:( poor thing, this is so sad.

artillery
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 18 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 1:25:48 PM
Seeing something die is not entertaining, I agree, but it did spark my interest. I had never herd of Knut before this and was interested in the reason why it had made it onto any website. Normally things like this only make it onto "Gore Gallery" or whatever it's like is nowadays. So why?

This animal was famous because it was abandoned by it's mother shortly after birth and was raised entirely by humans.

He lived a short 4 years after a life expectancy of 30+ years for polar bears in captivity.

This really sparked my interest. Does anyone think that the mother knew something was wrong with it early on and that was the reason she abandoned Knut (and his unnamed brother which died mere weeks after it was born) in the first place?

There is some precedent for animals being able to tell that there is something significantly wrong with their offspring earlier than medical science even can. What does IAB think?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10093 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:39:52 AM
@nottaspy:

True about bedbugs, but can they eradicate us?

There is not a single creature on the planet, that we could not at least "defend" ourselves from, while killing untold numbers of them.

Say for instance, bedbugs. If they over-ran the earth, we could sanitize an area, isolate that area, and poison the rest of the planet. Sure, that would be bad, but we have the technology to go on in that scenario. They do not.

My point is, we have the intelligence to use tools and technology to maintain an upper hand.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 872 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:31:23 AM
@auburnjunky, ahh the might makes right argument. We are better because we can kill all of them?

1st, you are wrong. We can't even keep bed bugs from our hotels, much less eradicate anything we want. Let's hear it, you have the full resources of the human race at your command, how would you eradicate bed bugs? BTW, wouldn't bed bugs be the top of the food chain?

2nd, there are organisms that aren't in the food chain. A good argument could be made that they are better than us since we depend on fragile ecosystems to survive. I could even make the argument that we are the worst of life since we have the unique ability to eradicate ourselves.

When we get a superiority complex and think that we are separate, or above, the animals is when we make the most progress in destroying the very food chain that we need to live. If we eradicate life then we will soon follow, but if we disappear life will go on without us.

Xpekt
Male, 18-29, Canada
 135 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 10:36:28 AM
im with hammerdrop.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:41:51 AM
I never understood that sentiment. How exactly is life precious?

Anything rare is precious, and this is the only planet we know of which has life. Rarity confers value.

And if you do follow that, whar makes us any better then the millions of other species of life on the planet?

I didn't say we were better than the other species. I said I value human life more, simply because I am human. Every species has the instinct to preserve its own kind and ensure the survival of the species.

Conversely, if Thorgrimmer genuinely believes all life is equally precious, then is his eyes I am a murderer, since I swatted a fly the other week.
But then he is also a murderer, if his immune system has ever killed off attacking bacteria.

When I put it like that, it's clear that nobody considers all life equal. Therefore it's down to where we draw the line. I draw it at homo sapiens because that makes the most sense to me.

panth753
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 8857 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:36:23 AM
Now that I'm depressed...

hammerdrop
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 199 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:29:01 AM
This has no place on this website.

GHudston
Male, 18-29, Europe
 184 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:27:17 AM
I consider human beings to be better than all other life on the planet simply because I am one. That is the only reason for anyone to say such a thing.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10093 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:21:07 AM
"whar makes us any better then the millions of other species of life on the planet?"

Oh I dunno. Maybe the fact that we are the top of the food chain? Maybe the we are the top of the everything chain on this planet. We are the dominant species. We can eradicate any species we choose, but none can do the same to us.

Those are just some of the ways that we are better.

ED-209
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 52 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 9:13:58 AM
:All life is precious, not just human life. Because as far as we know, it is rare."

I never understood that sentiment. How exactly is life precious? And if you do follow that, whar makes us any better then the millions of other species of life on the planet?


auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10093 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:34:26 AM
@andynaylor: Who knows. Maybe animals becoming extinct is the natural order of things, and humans stepping in a stopping it is what's drating everything up.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:27:42 AM
All life is precious, not just human life. Because as far as we know, it is rare.

All life is precious, yes. But not equally precious. I value human life over non-human life. This is still a sad video, because I don't like seeing an animal suffer, but I still would save one human life over any number of animals.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33910 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:25:44 AM

It reminds me of the Fainting Kitties... except they kept getting up and doing it again and the bear stayed down.

jackbutlers
Male, 18-29, Europe
 44 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:59:12 AM
I thought he was just dizzy to start with.

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