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Story Of Citizens United V. FEC, The Critique

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Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:10:34 PM
Who can explain North Korea? It was named by Kim Il Sun who was batpoo crazy. Not only that, but all those communist dictatorships have misleading, hyperbolic names.

But I'd ask you how, if I'm wrong, you would explain the dictionary?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:20:53 AM
Omphaloskept: Then please explain the 'democratic republic' of North Korea.

Not all of anything is always all of something else.

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Thursday, March 24, 2011 7:00:33 AM
Oh, and Madest: Don't fall for the conservative newspeak: democracies and republics don't overlap, a republic is a form of democracy. That's why not all democracies are republics, but all republics are democracies in the same way that though not all vegetables are carrots, all carrots are vegetables.

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:08:30 PM
Altaru: Why do you put the words 'elected representatives' in quotes? Did you skip your civics classes as well as your English classes? The U.S., as the world's third largest democracy, DOES have elected representatives. I know I'm too much of a dumbass for you to take my word for it, but you could look at our constitution (which has been amended 27 times, and as recently as twenty years ago) -- it does lay out the processes by which our democracy operates.

And no amount of quotes will make any of your claims correct.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:37:54 PM
I'll finish with this:

I feel like I've been severely trolled.

But I'm not feeding it anymore.

I already feel like his stupidity has infected me...

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 7:36:11 PM
Would be a typo had you done it once. You used "thus" wrong 3 times in this thread alone. I suggest you look it up before using it again.

Do a quick "CTRL F" search for the word "thus" on this post.

You'll see that I used it ONCE before your dumb ass started commenting on it.

And that wasn't even used wrong.

I'm not going to take sh*t from some 40 year old man who can't count.

And if you can't trust your own basic arithmetic, or know the actual meaning of the word "thus," then how can you trust your grasp of the English language? Or your understanding of government.

Again, I will never understand how somebody as f*cking retarded as you became a mod.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:59:11 PM
As far as your use of "thus" goes. It wasn't a typo.

Shall I go through your past posts and list out your various mis-spellings, grammatical errors and such to point out why you're too stupid for anyone to bother paying any attention to?

Because that's basically what you're trying to do here. Pointing out the fact that I accidentally mis-use the English language on occasion.

I recall you using some variation of the infamous "irregardless" before.

The point being that, even if I DO mis-use a word, the pot calling the kettle black doesn't make me wrong, or make you right.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:52:01 PM
Never once did it lead to mass riots by the way.

No, but ever heard of the practice of "Ostracism?"

Yeah, they basically wrote down the name of someone they thought deserved to be exiled, and the person was kicked out of the city for 10 years. At penalty of death should they return without summons.

They didn't lose their possessions or their status, but that's not the point. A majority vote allowed people to kick someone out for any reason they deemed worthwhile (it was more often than not used to prevent tyrants and the like, but again, beside the point).

Would you agree with it if America were to suddenly be allowed to do that, and YOU, or maybe you brother or best friend, were chosen by a "body of elected representatives" to be forced out, at penalty of death, just because such was the majority's will?

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:49:10 PM
Nope. I keep checking and the U.S. is still a democracy by all definitions. Keep trying, though.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:58:45 AM
You don't know what you're talking about. I can prove it. Name one "direct democracy" that has ever existed, I bet you can't.

O rly?

Try the Athenian Democracy. Admittedly, a fair number of people weren't considered in standing enough to be "citizens," so they were left out, but in terms of having the people (who could) vote directly on the issue, there you have it.

What's your rebuttal this time? Did I mis-spell something? Or is there a grammar error?

America was NOT meant to be a Democracy where 300 people can say and do whatever they want to the other 200, through a direct vote OR an "elected representative."

If you want it that way, then go ahead and spread your lies and ignorance. I hope people will be smart enough to understand the reality, and fight it.

But if they aren't smart enough... Well, I guess I'll be one of the first on the firing line when those 300 deem me a threat.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 11:50:43 AM
@ Altaru, Would you listen to someone lecture a group of people on the meaning of the word "democracy" if that same person didn't understand the proper use of the word thus?

You're nit-picking on a f*cking TYPO to prove my ignorance?

Look down. The letters "U" and "I" are right next to each-other on most standard QWERTY keyboards.

Nit-picking at typos is a desperate last stand of someone who knows they're losing.

On top of that, you really need to find a better dictionary. Even if I HAD intended to use "thus," it wouldn't have been wrong.

The difference between the two is in the manner now being exemplified (a.k.a. THUS).

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:05:09 AM
"War Powers Act" is the greatast political farce in America next to the Articles of Confederation.


Well then there was Amendment 18 USC.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:02:34 AM
Not just yet, but the goal is 'regime change' Obama has said so.


Phase 2 as far as I've heard are supposed to be strictly combat air patrols. Now Germany has sent troops in to aid Libyans, in which case I don't really care. IMO the "War Powers Act" is the greatast political farce in America next to the Articles of Confederation. The president is the Commander-in-Chief as pointed out in Art 1 Sec 1 USC. All congress can do is cut funding.

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Wednesday, March 23, 2011 4:40:06 AM
Altaru: I understand that you disagree with the original video and it doesn't interest me in the least. The United States is a democracy. I know, I know: I'm a dumbass and Annie Leonard is Hitler. How insightful. But I just re-checked, and the definition of democracy hasn't changed in spite of your thesis.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:15:30 PM
Cajun: We are not invading Libya...


Not just yet, but the goal is 'regime change' Obama has said so. And that will take troops on the ground at some point. At least Bush Sr. and GW Bush asked congress, and got approval, for their actions.

Obama, one of the few that voted against to go to war in Iraq, Hasn't even consulted congress as of yet. He's even flip-flopped on military tribunals at Gitmo, He now supports them.

Where is your peacnik 'constitutional scholar' now ?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:57:21 PM
distinction between DIRECT democracy and REPRESENTATIVE democracy

The difference?

It's the difference between a mob showing up at your door and throwing you out, and having an elected representative showing up and telling you to leave.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:53:04 PM
It is entirely appropriate for the author of the original video

Not when her definition of "democracy," and the basic idea of the original video, is that we should take away the rights of different groups of individuals (in this case, the company, but who knows who might be next?) based on some belief that they shouldn't be allowed to try and sway public influence during elections.

In the original video, her definition of "majority" was the individuals the agreed with her, and her "minority" was the companies. She basically did (or at least tried to do) (and excuse my Godwin's Law, but it more-or-less applies) exactly what Hitler did towards the Jews.

"This is a group of BAD people! They shouldn't have ANY rights, because they might use them to do bad things! We need to control them, and keep them from using their collective power to do anything that might go against us!"

Sound familiar?

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:46:42 PM
Again Crakr you misunderstand my position.

We are not invading Libya, I won't support it. We are assisting in a manner they've asked us to which is providing air support. It will definitely be cheaper than a full scale invasion and subsequent occupation.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10238 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:39:40 PM
Your fine with "Blood for oil" just so long a democrat president is in office and he says he's doing for 'freedom fighters'



Nice try with a straw man CrakrJak, they stopped asking for help after Bush Sr. left them high and dry after the first time around AND for smashing their infrastructure. Since Bush Sr. wasn't so keen on eliminating Saddam that left latter free to repress the Kurds in the north.

Lastly, those mass graves we found were linked to atrocities commited BEFORE Bush Sr.'s involvement. So maybe you should give him credit instead.

Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 183 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 8:15:53 PM
Altaru: Yes, the founding fathers were concerned about protecting the rights of minorities (well, SOME minorities - and mostly in principle only), but that has very little to do with simple fifth grade vocabulary. Democracy describes any political system where the people hold the reigns - even if they're just the reigns of elected officials. It is entirely appropriate for the author of the original video - or anyone - to speak of the United States as a democracy.

Now, since I - a lowly dumbass - am much more well versed than you in basic definitions, I feel completely justified in inviting you - an effing genius - (and only because you aren't swayed by dumbass-level references like every dictionary, encyclopedia or other accepted authority on basic information) to read the entirety of the founding father's letters your half-assed attempts to quote-mine are referencing. You will find that in EVERY case they make a distinction between DIRECT democracy and REPRESENTATIVE democrac

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:36:50 PM
Cajun: Also it's still safer to be a citizen in Iraq right now, than in South Africa, Venezuela, Brazil, Or Jamaica. Most dictatorships under report their death rates. Saddam did not count shiites or kurds as citizens of Iraq and many thousands of them died at his hands without anyone knowing. That is until US troops started to discover the mass graves in Iraq.





Just a few of the hundreds of such sites found from the Saddam era.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16954 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:27:18 PM
Cajun: The Iraqis did ask for our help, more than once, they were let down after the first gulf war.
It's just sooooo hypocritical of the left to scream "No blood for oil" when GW Bush was in office, when we don't even buy Iraqi oil because it has too high a sulphur content for our refineries. Then when Libya's oil supply, which is the kind we do buy (light sweet crude) is effected and the price per barrel shoots over $100, then all of a sudden we are concerned for people's freedom.

Saddam and his sons were much more dangerous, insane and bloodthirsty than Gaddafi has ever been. Gaddafi is still an non-nice individual, he needs to be got rid of, but it wasn't until he started bombing his oil pipelines that Obama seemed to care to do anything more than put sanctions on him.

So lets just be clear, Your fine with "Blood for oil" just so long a democrat president is in office and he says he's doing for 'freedom fighters', Right ?

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:44:14 PM
And, just to get you started on our Founding Fathers opinions of Democracy, I present you one quote...

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression."
- Thomas Jefferson himself, one of the more outspoken advocates of the majority ruling, said these words in his Inaugural address.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:30:26 PM
Don't you hate when people say: I'm not even gonna get involved in this, but...
Then go on a 200 word rebuttal attempting to redefine a word? Democracy. Look it up. It's in every dictionary.


I will never, once in my life, understand how the hell you became a mod. But that's beside the point.

I WASN'T getting involved in your debate. I was pointing out to one dumbass what makes a republic and a democracy two different things.

Obviously, you need the same lesson, dumbass.

And look up our own Founding Fathers writing and comments. They themselves referred to America as a Republic, and no matter what your half-assed education taught you, they wanted to distance themselves from the idea of a democracy.

While you're at it, read our own Constitution. Not ONCE does it mention a "Democracy." It does, however, mention a "Republican form of government" in Article 4, Section IV.

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:21:23 PM
The difference between a democracy and a republic is thus: A DEMOCRACY is pure mob rule. Riots and the like are Democracy. A democracy doesn't care what's right or wrong, it's what the majority wants.

A REPUBLIC has set ground rules that even the majority can't break.

With a democracy, a minority has no rights. Our forefathers would have been utterly APPALLED to see America referred to as a "democracy" for this very reason.

With a republic, all groups are protected equally under law, and nothing can take away the universally agreed upon rights.

Wanna see a Democracy in action? Go watch a video of a lynch mob.

Wanna see a Republic in action? Go watch a video of a fair trial in a court of law with an impartial jury.

We are a Republic with democratic elements, not the other way around.

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