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Canada Vs. USA: Suicide Edition!

Hits: 20650 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: 5Cats
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Ontario
Male, 18-29, Canada
 231 Posts
Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:48:16 PM
well another factor to take into is that america is 10 times freaking bigger than canada

Lardcarcass
Male, 40-49, Western US
 239 Posts
Friday, March 11, 2011 6:51:21 PM
@Musuko42
But you don't have Oakland!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Friday, March 11, 2011 3:47:09 AM
@MeGrendel

From your figures:

UK's contact crime rate: 89% higher.
UK's burglary crime rate: 50% higher.
UK's auto thefts crime rate: 19% higher.

USA's murder rate: 285% higher!

I'll take my slightly higher rate of crimes that don't KILL me, rather than your catastrophically higher murder rate, thank you very much.

DrkAng3LxNat
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1081 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:13:07 PM
It's not surprising at all that there are more suicides in the US with the use of firearms because they're easy to get to. I mean if someone's serious about killing themselves, they'd go for the easiest way possible (firearms), but if that's not an option it's still no going to discourage someone who's serious.

What I did learn though was that the suicide rate in both countries are the same. That I actually did not know.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3639 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:36:11 PM
Musuko42-"Who's spinning."

You are. Your entire post was 'This data does not support my position so we must ask every concievable question about the data.'

Other facts: % of people experiencing (by country)
Contact Crime: UK 3.6% - US 1.9%
Burglary: UK 3.9% - US 2.6%
Auto Thefts: UK 2.5% - US 2.1%

So, crime itself is not necessarily less in the UK. Granted, murders are higher in the United States with a rate of 5.0 per 100K (UK's is 1.3), which is high enough to put the US in the top 100 countries (not the top 10, 25 or even 50, though).

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:47:43 PM
@MeGrendel

Who's spinning? I haven't made any statements regarding the figures being wrong, or tried to twist them in any way whatsoever. In fact, I don't think you can even deduce my views on this matter based on what I've said.

All I've done is give examples of the questions that should be asked, without which the figures you give mean nothing.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:14:03 PM
Those who say this study is flawed are making futile charges. These statistics come for the USCDC. Highly skilled in studies. I seriously doubt its remotely flawed.

8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 12:27:07 PM
Well....would you look at that.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3639 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 11:42:58 AM
@Musuko42.

Facts not going you way...spin spin spin.



Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:44:34 AM
@MeGrendel

"In 2009 the UK had 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. In the same year the US had 429."

How many of those 2,034 violent crimes led to a death?

How many of those 429 violent crimes led to a death?

How are the crimes recorded? Are there certain actions that would be recorded as a violent crime in one country, but not in another? Were the figures adjusted for any difference in recording?

A violent crime can range from a simple push against someone (even an attempted push, in fact), all the way up to murder. The simple numbers mean very little unless you break it down into the actual crimes.

tobyvictory
Male, 70 & Over, Asia
 412 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 7:25:35 AM
@ P-hocto: Flawed? Why, because it doesn't take into account guessing what the figures would be if...? As long as the numbers are accurate (not made up), the study isn't flawed at all.

MeGrendel
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3639 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:32:55 AM
boNeymiZz-"if i were gonna kill myself... i'd be awesome at it.... shotgun to the DICK!"

Doctor: "You're in luck, it's just a flesh wound."

gorgack2000-"And funnily enough we have 27 times less gun crime than the states. "

But does that equate to less crime? Not so much.

Official crime figures show the UK has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries. In 2009 the UK had 2,034 violent crimes per 100,000 people. In the same year the US had 429. We didn't even make the top ten.

And before you aske, these numbers came from reports by the European Commission and United Nations.

P-hocto
Male, 18-29, Europe
 34 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 5:04:09 AM
This study is flawed. In the report they make the case that there is little difference in suicide rate between the two countries, gun control or not.

BUT, what's to say that the suicide rate in the US wouldn't be lower if gun control was in place, (or that rates in canada would be higher if it wasn't in place) thus changing the figures that their conclusion was made on?

Personally I don't think it would make much difference to the figures, if someone wants to kill themselves they'll find a way! However, the fact that their conclusion has not been reached through undeniable scientific methods makes their point somewhat invalid.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 4:01:00 AM
@phoneybone
Comparing the two nations does make sense. Both share the same borders. Have basically a high mixture of different ethnic groups. Similar democratic political and capitalistic systems. Basic same ratio of low income, middle income, and high income classes. A very good baseline to preform such a statistical survey.

ruthless1990
Female, 18-29, Europe
 3016 Posts
Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:06:57 AM
i wasn't aware we banned fire arms so that you couldn't kill yourself, i thought it had more to do with the killing of other people.

phoneybone
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1750 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 11:21:59 PM
my attempt:
a) comparing only two nations does not make for a very good statistical comparison, let's include some more countries, preferable either all post-industrailized to keep an even base line (wouldn't want to compare advanced to 3rd world, that'd be silly) BUT
b) if someone wants to kill themselves, they'll kill themsevles. Jump off a bridge, hanging, whatever, there's ways to do it, all effective.

Schr0dinger
Male, 50-59, Western US
 361 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:42:07 PM
SarahofBorg as a woman you of all people SHOULD own a gun.



DFWBrysco
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 285 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:31:25 PM
What exactly is the point of this with gun control? I can't recall any significant promotional push that we need tighter gun control to lower the number of suicides in the US - hell, if you are going to commit suicide, a gun is probably the way to go (considering the agony of other methods).

I believe that the US needs a revamp of gun laws - not for the shooter's sake, but for everyone elses. Things such as mental evaluations, and required safety classes and limitations on what is available publicly... but for suicides? Give me a break!

ElijaBlack
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 249 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:43:49 PM
Go USA for creativity at least with over 50% other.
Glass half full.

Shillier
Male, 18-29, Canada
 262 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:37:38 PM
Greenbasterd - "GUN CONTROL DOES NOTHING FO RTHIS COUNTRY EXCEPT GIVE THE GUNS TO CRIMINALS" (referring to canada)

pretty damn good way to distinguish between bad guys and good guys though right? you see a guy wavin a gun around he must be a bad guy so you just book it and wait for a mountie to lasso him. also i think people should start noting the difference between bunny rabbit/harmless deer hunting guns and human hunting guns

SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3573 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:13:21 PM
Yes it does Burton. It's pretty obvious to me, granted they took a passive-aggressive tone.
"they could quite legitimately be considered to be monsters, as they would appear to be very much in favor of seeing thousands more people hang or poison themselves when committing suicide"

So I'm a monster because I believe in gun control because I'm tired of hearing about 12 year old kids shooting up high schools with machine guns. I'M the monster. And yet it goes on:

"But then, they've apparently made other choices.
Actually caring about people just doesn't seem to be among those choices. "

I don't care about people because I believe in gun control. I would call that pretty damn blatant.

Angelmassb
Male, 18-29, S. America
 15497 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:45:04 PM
Like DUH

Enjin
Male, 30-39, Asia
 777 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 5:28:14 PM
Not surprising, people use whatever tool they have access to. For example in Japan (with one of the highest suicide rates in the world) it is common to commit suicide by jumping in front of a train or by jumping from a tall building. These are simply just very easily accessible tools in this area.

Thetas
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1552 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:51:30 PM
I was getting ready to point out that Canada has far less people, making the chart inaccurate, but then it continued and I was happy.

broizfam
Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 2166 Posts
Tuesday, March 08, 2011 3:26:43 PM
To Guardin Gnome,
What a great idea! There could be competitions and judging and prizes could be given to the surviving family members! It would be better than Jersey Shore, don't you think? Or am I being a little to non-P.C.?

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