 8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5420 Posts
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Wednesday, March 09, 2011 1:59:53 PM
I agree. Jesus WAS a hippy! |
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 lerie
Female, 18-29, S. America
1271 Posts
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Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:49:49 PM
Jesus, if he existed, was a lot more like the hippies and a lot less like conservatives. |
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 Trypno
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
473 Posts
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Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:17:08 PM
@skine
Uhh...Roman historical documents mark the fact that he was alive and that they crucified him. His existence was accounted for and documented by people all over the middle east and Roman empire.
You don't have to believe he was the Messiah, but he was a real historical being.
And I agree completely with this post. Faved and shared. |
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 DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:13:28 AM
I like how the last line has Attack the poor and side with the rich, like it is a rich vs poor cage match. What he would expect is for the rich to help the poor. And it should be done with love of your fellow man as the reason, not because it was governmentaly mandated. |
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 skine
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
724 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 3:41:17 PM
"I like how it says, 'If you believe that Jesus exists,' as if he wasn't a real person."
It's entirely plausible for someone to not believe that Jesus existed. The only evidence for his existence is the Bible, after all. |
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 gothmo
Female, 18-29, Western US
1328 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 3:26:58 PM
I'm going to print this out and glue it on a sign for the next time the church decides to riot or something stupid |
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 HeadiesRusH
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
329 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 2:58:46 PM
I like how it says, "If you believe that Jesus exists," as if he wasn't a real person. Seems like a really dumb comment unless they were just trying to say, "If you believe that Jesus is currently in heaven and watching over you," or something to that effect. |
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 RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 2:33:37 PM
"You can't seriously be arguing that statements in a religious book are objective proof that the beliefs of that religion are true."
Of course not. I never said anything about the beliefs of the religion being true. I don't know anyone who believes that secular records can prove that a man who was born to a virgin, performed miracles, and raised himself from the dead ever existed. That is where the "faith" part of religion comes in. |
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bleong
Male, 30-39, Western US
76 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 2:24:51 PM
Actually Luke 22:36 has Jesus saying it's time to buy a sword. Seems contrary to Jesus NOT owning a weapon.
I do agree that some absolute jerks do these things in the name of Jesus and it needs to stop.
3 Things Jesus WOULD Do:
- Tell the truth even if it is un-PC
- Act independent of someone's wealth, rich or poor
- Treat others with love and respect
Any problems with that?
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:51:14 PM
Is this really surprising? The Bible, in case you are unaware, IS the historical and religious record of the people of Canaan.
I wish I had 10,000 characters per post so I could repeat myself every time in order to ensure people won't take part of my latest post and run with it.
I'm arguing that there is enough indirect evidence to indicate that it is probably true that a person of unknown name lived and just under 2000 years preached a set of reforms to Judaism that were radical enough to split Judaism and begin to form Christianity.
I'm arguing against the statement that the existence of Jesus is *proven from secular records*.
You can't seriously be arguing that statements in a religious book are objective proof that the beliefs of that religion are true. |
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 Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
4753 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:47:18 PM
Cajun: You talking to me?
I'd rather have people do the research themselves, and it's off topic anyway.
If you'd like *my* answer emailed to you or something I'd be happy to. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:45:56 PM
Lives of the Caesars - Claudius, sec. 25: "He banished from Rome all Jews, who were continually making disturbances at the instigation of one Chrestus."
It's odd that you would cite that as proof of the existence of Jesus.
The expulsion was ordered in 49AD.
"Chrestus" might have been a reference to Jesus or it might not.
If it was and it was accurate, then it would be stating that Jesus was alive and politically active in Rome in 49AD, more than 20 years after his alleged death and ascension. It would be surprising for a Christian to make that argument.
I think it's an example of the indirect later references that are the only records that exist of Jesus, i.e. Tacitus (writing in ~115AD, i.e. NOT contempory) is referring to Christian faith, not to proven events. They might have been causing trouble *in the name of Jesus*, which once again proves only that Christians believed he existed. |
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:36:10 PM
"There are no references to him outside of the Christian bible except in the context of later writers describing what Christians believe or stating their own Christian belief."
Is this really surprising? The Bible, in case you are unaware, IS the historical and religious record of the people of Canaan.
Romans were in the business of putting down religious uprisings, so it stands to reason that they would not have records of Jesus. Christians, after all, did not worship Caesar, which was a tenant of the current religion of the Roman State. Do you really think the Romans would have acknowledged Jesus' existence? |
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RETARDEDBEAR
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
440 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:29:56 PM
"my point was that all the mythology was floating around the medeteranian long befor 'Jesus time'. It's more likely the new little cult adopted a few for their own use."
Jesus was Jewish, and Judaism had been around for over 2000 years when he came along. Early Christians were Jews that believed Jesus was the Messiah. In this way, Christianity is directly descended from Judaism.
Your assertion is that early Christians "took" stories from Egyptian religion. The relationship between the Egyptians and the Jews (the whole 400 year long slavery thing) makes it not so shocking that early Christians would attribute similar mythical characteristics to Jesus. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:27:58 PM
Wundt, Didnt Pliny the Younger, and other historians write of him?
No.
They wrote about Christians' beliefs some time afterwards. That's not the same thing. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 12:23:54 PM
Maybe you believe in God and maybe you dont. But not believing in Jesus is like not believing in Mohamed or Abraham Lincoln or Galileo. There are far too many references to him outside of the bible to just say "I aint never seen him so he dont existed."
Which nobody is saying. You are wrong.
There are no references to him outside of the Christian bible except in the context of later writers describing what Christians believe or stating their own Christian belief.
You are wrong.
There are a vast number of references to Luke Skywalker outside of the Star Wars films. Does that constitute absolute proof that he's a real person?
You are wrong.
You are just plain wrong in a variety of ways. |
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 forestq
Female, 18-29, Western US
500 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 11:56:37 AM
I love this. :) |
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 paddy215
Male, 18-29, Europe
1548 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 11:48:22 AM
Hey, what jerk poked out Jesus' eyes? |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25652 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 11:26:21 AM
Never heard of "Zeitgeist".
Google it. There are dozens of websites to browse.
As in all things on the web, you have to be a bit
sceptical and not believe the first fanatical website
you find. But there are some ... legitimate? sites to peruse.
Legitimate and Religion... hmmmmmmm
Oxymoron? |
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DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 10:39:13 AM
Yea, but your point wasn't based on fact. They came from a movie called Zeitgeist that is based on horrible half truths and twisted data. |
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Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
25652 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 9:58:24 AM
DJDoubleb
my point was that all the mythology was floating around the medeteranian long befor "Jesus time". It's more likely the new little cult adopted a few for their own use.
either that or Jesus was a copy cat. |
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DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 9:38:33 AM
And not "like" in the same sense as you either... :) |
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DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 9:28:35 AM
Horan raised no one from the dead. His mother Isis raised his father Osiris, then banged 'em.
Tempted in the desert? In the Chester Beatty I, recto papyrus translation in "Ancient Egyptian Literature: New Kingdom" by Miriam Lichtheim, (ISBN 0520248430), pg. 219-220, Set (Seth) attempts to (sexually) seduce Horus in order to put his semen into Horus, but Horus tricks Set (Seth) and Horus has him eat lettuce with Horus' semen on it, earning Horus the favor of the Ennead (court of the gods).
Not exactly similar there either.
Horus also didn't die in Egyptian mythology, at all, ever. However some people mistakenly use Osiris' resurrection.
Also, the same people use the same resurrection to state that Horus raised the dead, They even mention lazarus. the hebrew form of the name is Elʿāzār "God (has) helped".
Also adult Horus stories have him fighting with seth, not miraculously curing others.
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 Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
23995 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 9:22:57 AM
He wouldnt let this get on IAB |
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DJDoubleb
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
381 Posts
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Monday, March 07, 2011 9:17:29 AM
And not "like" in the same sense as you either... :) |
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