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Busted: Fox News And Ron Paul's Video Deception

Hits: 18678 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: PierreJeanFR
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obeydarklord
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1364 Posts
Wednesday, February 23, 2011 2:04:53 PM
i dont understand why fox news would go through the trouble of doin this... i mean he IS a republican...

Izaq
Male, 30-39, Europe
 175 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:38:31 PM
American news filling the masses with bullpoo. Same poo - different day.

TIMESWORDSMN
Male, 13-17, Western US
 304 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:24:24 PM
HOLY poo THE SKY IS BLUE!!!

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 5:19:52 PM
trp712: If you're gonna say something, at least stick to it. Don't attempt to verbally twist and turn your way out of it.


Take your own advice first, You tried to twist and turn Vorpal's slander as well. My banana comment was far less derogatory, But you've tried to make it sound worse. When that failed you tried to equate the two.

If you are going to make the argument that being called 'gay' is not bad and slanderous, at least stick to that assertion.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:57:07 PM
@Crakr, trp, vorpal

Semantic argument is semantic.

trp712
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2223 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:05:08 PM
This is just getting silly. You're twisting words, hiding behind obtuse phrasings, and refusing to admit things you obviously meant. Unless you literally mean someone hiding in a closet ramming bananas into something, then the obvious connotation is a homosexual one. If you're gonna say something, at least stick to it. Don't attempt to verbally twist and turn your way out of it.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 2:28:09 PM
trp712: According to your own definition calling someone 'gay' isn't a slander. So you are contradicting yourself from earlier.

As for the context issue, I didn't bring up the subject of homosexuality here, Vorpal did. He invented the context.

I never specified a location of said 'ramming', even DickenMcHunt recognizes that fact.

trp712
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2223 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:26:01 PM
In other words your own filthy mind got the better of you, another example of halitosis of the intellect.

I really don't think he has a filthy mind for figuring out the correct context of a phrase, do you?

trp712
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2223 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 12:24:23 PM
vorpalsword: I can only guess that a banana rammer like yourself would know all about hiding in the closet.

vorpal: I never accused you of being gay. Your own mind invented the context in which you took the term 'banana rammer'.

C'mon Crakr, now you're just being silly. the conversation is about homosexuality, and you call him a banana rammer ansd then talk about him being closeted. That's an obvious allusion. You even go on to say
vorpalsword: You delete your slander, and I'll delete mine.
. If you weren't alluding to him being gay, then it wouldn't be slander, and in which case you certainly wouldn't say that.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:47:43 AM
jtrebowski: Had no earthly idea who that was, and therefore looked up that name.

So no, I can't 'follow' anyone I had no clue about.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:41:01 AM
vorpal: I never accused you of being gay. Your own mind invented the context in which you took the term 'banana rammer'.

In other words your own filthy mind got the better of you, another example of halitosis of the intellect.

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 10:16:49 AM
Me: "you have also made graphic accusations of Vorpal engaging in anal-sexual stimulation with fruits."
Crakr: "Actually I never specified any location, on his body or otherwise, to where he rams a banana. For all I know he rams bananas in police car tailpipes in his spare time, so just how would that be 'offensive' ?"

You got me there! In fact it wouldn't be offensive- which simply drives home the fact that subject statements can be argued to either side; after all Vorpal never called you a homosexual, he impled that you were a closeted gay. Nobody here will judge you if you like to compartmentalize your emotions, sometimes keeping your happiness in the proverbial closet can be a good thing.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 7:28:51 AM
CrakrJak said: "....It demonstrates how far moronic trash like you will go to defame those whom YOU fear."
LOL!! You're hardly fear-worthy. It's more like loathing. Not because of your personal beliefs, but because people who share those beliefs actively try to deny others equality for no good reason. How, as an American, can you even defend that type of behavior? If I look to the recent past, it could be because you follow the good word of George "rentboy" Rekers. Or not. You tell us.

vorpalsword
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1429 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 6:09:28 AM
Dick is not the one making the contradiction, you accused me of being gay too (except i accused you of being closeted while you just made a lousy joke). The difference between my accusation and yours is that I just shrugged it off, im straight enough to not give a damn.

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 5:03:38 AM
Me: "you have also made graphic accusations of Vorpal engaging in anal-sexual stimulation with fruits."
Crakr: "Actually I never specified any location, on his body or otherwise, to where he rams a banana. For all I know he rams bananas in police car tailpipes in his spare time, so just how would that be 'offensive' ?"

You got me there! In fact it wouldn't be offensive- which simply drives home the fact that subject statements can be argued to either side; after all Vorpal never called you a homosexual, he impled that you were a closeted gay. Nobody here will judge you if you like to compartmentalize your emotions, sometimes keeping your happiness in the proverbial closet can be a good thing.

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 5:03:27 AM
Me: "Crakr complains that someone else is trying to get him to be concise and to elaborate on an issue"
Crakr: "The question was not asked 'for clarity' it was a leading question with a false premise."

You're right- it wasn't asked for clarity it was asked to make a point, which was articulated in the following segment:

"What TRP was getting at is that either you believe being gay is BAD, which is your OPINION and hold no basis in objective reality and therefore cannot be judged as slanderous- OR you don't find it offensive at ALL and are trying to be a drama queen. "

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 5:03:14 AM
Me "you have ... made direct allegation that Vorpal.. (is) gay (a) ..relatively defamatory statement
How is it that being called a "closeted gay" is offensive."
Crakr: "Contradict yourself much ?"

No- I don't You selective edit me, much:
Actual quote- "Meanwhile you have explicitly and continually made direct allegation that Vorpal (and others) are gay, liberal, and a host of other relatively defamatory statement- with no evidence."

I never said that being gay is defamatory, I said that you called people gay and liberal and also other comments that can be construed as defamatory; to make the point that you're not innocent- you're equally as guilty. Which you have again proven.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 4:41:14 AM
DickenMcHunt: you have ... made direct allegation that Vorpal.. (is) gay (a) ..relatively defamatory statement


How is it that being called a "closeted gay" is offensive.


Contradict yourself much ?

Crakr complains that someone else is trying to get him to be concise and to elaborate on an issue


The question was not asked 'for clarity' it was a leading question with a false premise.

you have also made graphic accusations of Vorpal engaging in anal-sexual stimulation with fruits.


Actually I never specified any location, on his body or otherwise, to where he rams a banana. For all I know he rams bananas in police car tailpipes in his spare time, so just how would that be 'offensive' ?

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:28:44 AM
@Crakr

"I saw through your line questioning a half-hour ago, No matter how I answer you'll either say vorpal's slander either wasn't offensive or you'll say that my beliefs are.

You phrased the question with a false premise to begin with, That falsehood being that I believe 'gays are bad'. "


Ohhhh Boy... Where do I start?

Crakr complains that someone else is trying to get him to be concise and to elaborate on an issue... then when he gets calle dout for failing to do so, gets butt-hurt about it...

Correct me if I cross a line (everyone that has ever had an argument with him) but is this not the same tactic he uses? Imply that because you cannot articulate an opinion well enough to his standards that you're wrong and he's right?

Yeah, I'm fairly sure that tactic is "Crakr 101."

(Continued Below)

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:26:03 AM
TRP asked you a specific question:
How is it that being called a "closeted gay" is offensive. YOU skirted around the issue by saying, that being called gay isn't bad but being a CLOSETED gay is- which does not answer the question of why it offends you. The reality is that people with responses similar to your own typically feel that homosexuality is disgusting, physically repulsive, wrong, evil, vile, etc. Which of course is completely subjective and holds no basis in reality. You have implied that homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals, which has been debunked time and time again- which provides further evidence to your opinions.

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:25:29 AM
The issue here is that YOU are failing to elaborate on WHY you find being called a "closeted gay" offensive, using weasel phrasing, ignoring the questions and providing answers to questions that were not asked- all the while claiming that you've sufficiently answered the initial question,

What TRP was getting at is that either you believe being gay is BAD, which is your OPINION and hold no basis in objective reality and therefore cannot be judged as slanderous- OR you don't find it offensive at ALL and are trying to be a drama queen.

In either event- the solution would be for both parties to stop talking to each other, and/or "man-up."

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:18:24 AM
For the record- Vorpal has demonstrated right wing- libertarian tendencies with his only "liberal" ideals being social issues. By your logic, calling him a "liberal" is equally as slanderous as calling you a "closeted gay," which he also DID NOT do, he simply IMPLIED. Neither being liberal nor being gay are inherently bad- per your speech you are not gay, neither is Vorpal a "liberal." Applying this logic means that you have slandered Vorpal equally.

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:18:08 AM
On top of that- you have also made graphic accusations of Vorpal engaging in anal-sexual stimulation with fruits. So, you have explicitly made two defamatory comments, while Vorpal implied one.

Vorpal is a 20-something nobody with no track record of "trolling" or hate speak; you're 40+ years and often accused of "trolling" and have a vast record of speech that can be construed as "hateful."

You also tried to defend calling President Obama a Muslim, because his father and step-father were Muslim and parts of his family which has has had virtually no contact with for the majority of his life believe he is Muslim

DickenMcHunt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:17:10 AM
Ignoring that he states he is a Christian and that his Mother is a Christian. You, In identical fashion to Vorpal, have IMPLIED that he is a muslim- using hearsay and circumstantial evidence. Either Calling Obama a Muslim IS IN FACT Libel and people should be sued (including those on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC and etc. that continue to imply such) or it is not, and therefore, neither were Vorpals implications.

Meanwhile you have explicitly and continually made direct allegation that Vorpal (and others) are gay, liberal, and a host of other relatively defamatory statement- with no evidence. This, without question, IS slander. Simply put, your argument wouldn't hold up in any court, nor is it holding up to the mods now, and all you do is whine. Grow up.

P.S. Telling you to grow up is not libel as you've demonstrated a tendency to act in a nature which could be communally determined as "childish."

vorpalsword
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1429 Posts
Sunday, February 20, 2011 3:14:40 AM
sorry crakr, im just defending the site against your baseless accusations

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