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Truth Behind Valentine's Day

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Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
 794 Posts
Thursday, February 17, 2011 4:13:43 AM
Merph...I'm CrakrJak, I'm pissing on teh interwebs!

Dude, relax. Yes, human civilization has been around for about 4000 years longer than Christianity. Yes, human deity worship has been around for about 198,000 years longer than Christianity. We gets it.

The Christian Feast of the Resurrection happens to coincide with the Jewish Passover. Jewish Passover happens to take place on the first Sabbath after the first full moon after the vernal equinox (as the Jewish calendar is a lunar calendar, and the solar-lunar cycle is fairly constant of about 13-odd lunar cycles to 1 solar cycle, they fall at about the same time every year).

The feast of Oestra, the goddess of fertility, happens to fall on the first full moon of the vernal equinox.

Cadbury decided to cash in on the fact that many people spent time together for the Christian feast, and the Jewish feast (encompassing about 98% of North Americans), that they decided to sell more candies.

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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 9:40:48 PM
Angilion: And as I stated before it was known as Easter it was called 'Resurrection Day'. You seem to be equating things that were pre-Catholic as pre-Christian and that is simply not the same.

Also, I'll reiterate that Easter, as we know it, is celebrated weeks to more than a month later than March 21st. depending on the lunar cycle. In fact this year it's on April 24th.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:26:18 PM
Regarding the regional churches, I think my original statement is valid:

There were regional differences, but it's debateable whether they could be considered seperate that far back.

Seriously, If you are going to debate Christianity at least know the bible man.


Care to address the words I actually wrote?

You don't even know where your holy days came from, so you're in no position to be making statements like that.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 4:22:25 PM
And before you try and tell me Easter usurped some pagan spring ritual, might I remind you that Easter is concurrent with the the Jewish holiday of Passover which pre-dates any Roman holiday you care to list.


And I remind you that Easter was the name of a pre-Christian fertility festival at the same time of the year, particularly associated with fertility symbols such as rabbits(*) and eggs, named after a god associated with fertility. She was female, hence the emphasis on eggs as a symbol of fertility.

She wasn't a Roman god. Further north in Europe in this case. Christianity didn't *only* take over Roman religious days. That was just the main target in the earliest days because that's where the main power was.

* It was originally hares, but the same point applies.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:19:18 PM
Volsunga: Did I not state the term Greco-Roman ? Latin comes from the region we now know as Italy, aka 'Roman'. The root word for 'Pagan' did not exist before then.

As for 'Easter' it was known as 'Resurrection Day' in the early church. The pagan celebrated the first day of spring March 21st, But Easter is celebrated with the timing of Passover after the first day of spring.

The bunnies, eggs, etc.. all that is really a secularism of Easter to sell things. Much the same as Christmas and Valentines Day has been secularized.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 6:07:37 AM
@CrackrJak
Easter is the most pagan holiday (aside from Halloween) that is still celebrated. I challenge you to find a Christian etymology for the name and traditions. OEster was a Celtic fertility goddess who was worshiped around the spring equinox and whose symbols were rabbits, chickens, and eggs. There are no passover traditions present in modern Easter celebration except a special sermon or mass when you attend church.

Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and Palm Sunday are all Christian assimilation of Passover and the preparation thereof.

As for "Paganism", by your argument, there is also no such thing as the Greeks before the Romans, because the word comes from Latin. Greeks call themselves Hellenes. Concepts can exist before the language is invented. "Pagan" (which literally means peasant) is used to describe any number of pre-Christian (and non Abrahamic) religions regardless of era or location.

Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
 794 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 3:41:46 AM
Anyone point out how ugly chicky-doodle is?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 2:26:01 AM
fuzzgrimly: Paganism - It is primarily used in a historical context, referring to Greco-Roman polytheism as well as the polytheistic traditions of Europe.

The root word of Paganism is from Latin paganus.

Sure there were other polytheistic religions before the Romans, but 'Paganism' certainly does belong to Greco-Roman times.

I'll accept your apology anytime.

fuzzgrimly
Male, 13-17, Asia
 30 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 1:43:32 AM
Lol @ CrackrJak who believes that paganism started with the Romans. What a dumb douche.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:51:57 AM
Angilion: Easter, Ash Wednesday, Palm Sunday, Good Friday, Ascension Day, Pentecost.

Need I give more ?

And before you try and tell me Easter usurped some pagan spring ritual, might I remind you that Easter is concurrent with the the Jewish holiday of Passover which pre-dates any Roman holiday you care to list.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:43:42 AM
Angilion: Paul's letters at the time to the Ephesians, Colossians, Romans, Thessalonians, Galatians, Phillipians, Corinthians and the others all point to different churches from the very beginning. Yes, Some joined together and eventually came to be known as Catholicism, Others joined and became Eastern Orthodox, etc.

Seriously, If you are going to debate Christianity at least know the bible man.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:32:02 AM
Here's a challenge:

Name a significant Christian holy day that definitely wasn't made as a replacement for a holy day for a religion that Christianity was trying to replace at the time that the Christian holy day was put into place.

There must be some. At least 1 or 2. Surely at least 1.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:27:31 AM
'There was no conspiracy - it was openly stated policy."

Nice lie, Angilion.



Ah, so now you're arguing that Christians were lying and all the Christian holy days that are on the same days as the holy days of the religions Christianity was trying to replace were just strange coincidences.

Your argument is not compelling, especially as the only evidence you have for it is that you want it to be true.

"You can't say I'm wrong, because I can prove I'm right. "

And yet, Angilion relies on verbal abuse instead of evidence.



That's not verbal abuse outside of your deluded little mind.

*That's* verbal abuse. Get someone to explain the difference to you.

Once again, you are making stuff up to suit yourself and ignoring reality.

You have no evidence backing you up - that's why you didn't even try to prove me wrong.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:22:10 AM
No, Not really. Eastern Orthodoxy and African Christianity were separate from Catholicism even then.


The policy started at least as far back as the early 2nd century, although it didn't gain much ground until well into the 3rd. There were regional differences, but it's debateable whether they could be considered seperate that far back.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Tuesday, February 15, 2011 12:08:19 AM
Angilion: It did back then, though.


No, Not really. Eastern Orthodoxy and African Christianity were separate from Catholicism even then.

BoredIAm
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 146 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 11:53:33 PM
Where do I apply to get my four minutes back?

Heureux
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1060 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 10:26:24 PM
'There was no conspiracy - it was openly stated policy."

Nice lie, Angilion.

"You can't say I'm wrong, because I can prove I'm right. "

And yet, Angilion relies on verbal abuse instead of evidence.

5ofclubs
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 110 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 9:23:48 PM
The first 10 seconds of that video is hilarious

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 8:20:11 PM
Once again Angilion spouts some more Christian conspiracy theory. He believes Christians have 'stolen' everything from other cultures and is conspiring to convert everyone.


There was no conspiracy - it was openly stated policy.

I haven't said that Christians have stolen everything from other cultures. You're just saying that because you can't counter what I'm actually written.

There's a difference between conspiring to convert everyone and stating proven truths.

I don't want people to just believe me and accept me as all-knowing. I do want people to check things for themselves and not just accept what they're told by people who want to create a false history to promote their ideology.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11508 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 8:16:29 PM
Volsunga: Catholicism does not encompass all of Christianity, so your argument is moot.


It did back then, though.

You can do as much as you like to create a false history. You'll probably have at least some degree of success with your revisionist propaganda.

But you can't change what was actually true. You can't say I'm wrong, because I can prove I'm right. All you can do is make some more propaganda.

polybius
Male, 18-29, Western US
 76 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 7:36:04 PM
I thought this was something people already knew.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 7:06:09 PM
Yes the everyday commercialism of further propagating of the manufacturing and service industry to make money.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 6:31:10 PM
@CrackrJak
I never claimed Catholicism did encompass all of Christianity. It is irrelevant which denomination did the deed of assimilating the pagan holidays. If you celebrate that holiday, you are "guilty" (not that I'm making a moral judgment of it being wrong to 'steal' a holiday). It doesn't make you 'evil' to celebrate a holiday based on pagan traditions, all it does is make you unoriginal.

lizbian_2
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 185 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 5:36:20 PM
*you're

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17158 Posts
Monday, February 14, 2011 5:26:13 PM
Volsunga: Catholicism does not encompass all of Christianity, so your argument is moot.

That's exactly what Angilion tries to do, blame all Christians based on what a pope or a few bishops may have done several hundred years ago.

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