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NASA's Hubble Finds Most Distant Galaxy Ever

Hits: 23731 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Science | Added by: canusuck
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duckflash
Female, 13-17, Europe
 571 Posts
Tuesday, February 01, 2011 12:51:09 PM
this doesnt contradict religious people. theyll just tell you god did it to test their faith.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10157 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 1:11:12 PM
Oh and, hardliners at my church (there are very few) think that the whole "Light from x takes x long to reach us so the universe is x years old" is hogwash.

I just facepalm them and go my merry way. They are usually old.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10157 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 1:09:41 PM
@hobomoe:

I agree. They say our universe will end once it has expanded to a size larger than its capable mass. They call it "The Big Rip". Who's to say that didn't happen with a much much smaller universe resulting in our "Big Bang"?

HOBOMOE
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 515 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 12:44:46 PM
@ auburnjunky
I've always wondered what their response would be when you tell them that these light waves took 10 millions years to reach us, and show them the simple math to prove how far the planet is and how fast light travels. I always feel like its such a simple disproving of the 6000 year thing.

Also in recent development, They think that the what preceded the universe was actually another universe. Eventually our universe will stop expanding(its actually decelerating in its increase by some estimates) and will slowly cave back into itself creating essentially big bang conditions.
I wish I had the book near me for names and references for this. but It all came from the book "The Science of Doctor Who".

Angelmassb
Male, 18-29, S. America
 15498 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 7:49:58 AM
Fascinating, this kind of things shows us we are practically cave man still, Cave man with computers

BoredFrank
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 2015 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 7:03:40 AM
So much ignorance on the part of religious people. You lot should really read what we call a 'book' sometime. It can be a very rewarding experience.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 6:08:53 AM
@quick1dunkno
I actually have my Astronomy 101 textbook right here and it says "Scientists do not know what preceded the Big Bang, or whether such a concept as 'before' is even valid." -
The Cosmic Perspective Sixth edition, Pearson

My guess is that you are confusing the Big Bang, which is the start of the universe, with the Accretion Model of Stellar Formation, which explains how the Solar system formed. The latter is indeed a collapse of gasses.

PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 5:54:14 AM
@quickonedunkno, so we come from god's fart?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10157 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 5:19:50 AM
I think the Christians who think Earth is 6,000 years old are just there for comic relief.

quick1dunkno
Male, 18-29, Europe
 99 Posts
Monday, January 31, 2011 4:25:35 AM
@Wariaman

no mate.. god was not created god has always been and always will be god.. theres no begining or end to god..
check up your high school textbooks.. acording to big bang it was all gases before.. so there WAS something present.. otherwise how did it explode? and even if there was nothing what caused it to explode.. infact how can nothing explode and produce matter.. your not making sense :/

msieg007
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2171 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 9:23:15 PM
"Jesus drating Christ. Leave it to IAB to turn a scientific finding into a relgion flame war. It is so old."

Leave it to IAB to plant the seeds for a religious flame war in the link's caption...

BoredIAm
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 146 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 4:11:41 PM
Jesus drating Christ. Leave it to IAB to turn a scientific finding into a relgion flame war. It is so old.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 3:00:26 PM
@lilbroder cont...
As for pantheism, especially Spinozan pantheism, it follows scientific materialism. The only difference is the word used for the laws of the universe. If you want to avoid cutting out semantics, then this can of Sprite I'm drinking is God.
The whole point of words is to convey information based on the mutual understanding of their definition. The problem with pantheism is that it chooses instead to try to preserve the word by changing the definition. All it does is allow intellectually dishonest people to take advantage of equivocation fallacies to lie.

If you are seriously that butthurt about being called on your bullsh*t as to call it an "insult", then you probably don't belong on the internet.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:41:42 PM
@lilbroder
I never said that you don't understand those concepts because you are religious. You made the claim that they imply "intelligent design". I told you that you are wrong in saying that, which implies that you don't understand them.
Further proof is your invocation of chaos theory when it isn't even relevant.
Special relativity does nothing but set light as the standard of measurement for physics. That's all it needs to do. Quantum Mechanics is more difficult, but is also nothing more than a model for understanding natural behaviors.

As for you being a "nuclear engineer", you must be lying about either that or your age. This isn't Youtube where you can get away with making up credentials.

You are free to sort out your own cognitive dissonance with religion and science, just make sure you know what you're talking about and don't lie about things. There are people out there that do know and you'll get called out on it.

duffytoler
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 5220 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:37:18 PM
Every science discovery = Religious argument somewhere on the internet.

Darkolin
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 54 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:34:50 PM
hmmmm....What?

lilbroder
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 86 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:13:12 PM
@Volsunga .... Bitch

lilbroder
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 86 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 2:12:27 PM
@Volsunga I'm attempting to put it into layman's term. I understand Einstein was using it as a poetic vice, but i'm just attempting to convey the idea that its not impossible for there to be a god or what have you. I actually tend to lean towards pantheism myself.

You cannot say that Pantheism is nearly atheism! The only similarity that the two have is that they don't follow the traditional "supreme being" doctrine. But it most definitely is a religious philosophy, you can not cut semantics out of that, not even for the sake of argument.

As for my knowledge of special relativity, chaos theory and quantum mechanics, how dare you say I don't understand them because I have a religious view. I'm actually quite proficient at the use of them, I have to be considering I'm a Nuclear Engineer.

You obviously did not read what I was saying and just want to argue just for the sake of argument. Please don't insult me, especially if you don't even know what you

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:32:32 PM
@lilbroder
The idea for the theory is credited to a Catholic priest who dabbled in physics. What he did wasn't that impressive, he just took the observation that the universe is expanding and concluded that if it was always expanding, it had to, at some point, been a singularity. No theological implications at all. Modern physicists actually work out how the big bang worked and it's been shown to be following natural laws. When you have a creator god, this makes him unnecessary.
Einstein was a Spinozan Pantheist. Basically, he used the word "god" as a poetic metaphor for the natural laws of the universe. Cut out the semantics and he is no different from an atheist.

You obviously don't understand special relativity, chaos theory or quantum mechanics because they actually imply just the opposite.

Saying there is a "why" implies intent without a good reason to do so. Just because a question is grammatically correct doesn't mean it makes sense.

Volsunga
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1548 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:13:45 PM
@kpres
That's because the only reason people become "professional philosophers" is because they reject Scientific Materialism (scientists are not philosophical "realists", Realism implies a subjective view of the universe). If they accepted it, then they would be morally obligated to be scientists and not philosophers. Your data sample is biased.

@keith2
The answer has been found. There are a few details left that we don't understand with the Big Bang, such as what the causal factor for gravity was (kind of a paradox because time itself is a function of gravity and causation is a function of time), but the data and math answers almost everything. The problem is that you can't really explain the concepts involved in English, you have to understand the mathematics of it. Because of this, we try to make loose analogies that too often get misinterpreted by laymen.

lilbroder
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 86 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 1:02:01 PM
@Kpres you're making a giant assumption about the entire scientific community. Some of the most well respected physicist, the ones who come up with the big bang theory, believe in god. Even Albert Einstein said "God doesn't play dice". Once you truly understand quantum mechanics, special relativity, and chaos theory it becomes apparent that it isnt out of the relm that there could be such thing as "intelligent design".

And anyways science just explains the "how", it doesn't always explain the "why". That will always be up to interpretation. Personally I tend to think people who base there atheism off scientific reasoning are in-fact truly ignorant about what science actually says and just jumping on the atheist band wagon. You need to go learn stuff for yourself, don't value anyones word with to much weight. Thats how you get yourself into trouble.

lilbroder
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 86 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:48:39 PM
Thats freaking awesome! I learned about this in physics. The reason why the cluster of blue stars looks red is because the galaxy is moving away from us at a certain velocity. This slows the frequency of the light, and they can measure its velocity assuming the light is given off iat general constant. Its essentially the Doppler effect applied to light, its called Red Phase Shift.

@Kpres

steven8124
Male, 50-59, Southern US
 117 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:37:39 PM
As God chuckles and looks down on us he thinks, I call it a work week and they call it the big bang!

TBWRB
Male, 18-29, Europe
 50 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 11:53:07 AM
@Kpress, I read through your comment and found it to be nonsense. The scientific mind finds the religious world unintelligible because it requires a jump into the imaginary that can never be made. We don't care about all the other useless junk, we only care about what is provable, and as a such the only thing that is provable is the real things. We can only prove what exist and unfortunately god and all other skybosses fall into the group of unprovable, and logically these can not exist. If however circumstances change this opinion will have to change, this is the major difference between science and religion, science has to change based on evidence, religion has never made that pretence.

@ukulelemike, SI units exist for a reason... and I'm pretty sure that in the absense of a "bajillion" unit, the light year will do perfectly

Wariaman
Male, 18-29, Europe
 34 Posts
Sunday, January 30, 2011 10:30:26 AM
@Quick1dunkno Theres something you should understand, Matter is another form of energy, energy and time created when the big bang occured, so the stuff that we see today didnt exist before the big bang, saying that its impossible to understand big bang without belief in god is stupid cuz im guessing that your saying that God is the one who created the big bang, then what your sayign (which got no proof or even a theory with research) is true, then who created god? its a circle that wont end cuz at this moment, we do not know how time and energy came into existence...


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