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Boy Gets Gun For Birthday And Kills Whole Family

Hits: 21525 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Male, 18-29, Western US
 2 Posts
Monday, February 07, 2011 8:48:02 PM
what is the big deal guys? he was just playing COD.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 2382 Posts
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:30:22 PM
that kid probably had enough of daddy touching him and grandma and auntie didn't seem to care.

don't argue with the anti's they haven't given anything about guns any thought. they spit out rhetoric they hear on CNN

Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 11:03:43 AM
Instead of your typical self righteous attacks on people who don't believe what you believe Angie, why don't you give us, in your infinite wisdom, a practical solution to the 273 million guns in this country, 99% of which are privately owned. One that doesn't discriminate upon people who obey the law and put them at a disadvantage to those who don't care about the law in the first place.

You going to just ask nicely? Offer a cash for guns program? Yeah, we can afford that...

Or can you show me where my having a gun is the cause of all (or any) of the rape, carjackings, assault (with any weapon, from a knife to a ball bat), murder, kidnapping in this great "civilized" world we live in? If so, I will gladly give mine up. If you can't though, I would much rather have one around.

More European haughtiness, as if Europe didn't refine and reinvent the art of killing each other for thousands of years.

Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 10:44:48 AM
I have also never said that there is no cost in having a gun culture. It is more than a cost, is is a responsibility for those who live around guns to teach and practice safe usage. This is a responsibility I feel should be taught from a young age, and if taught widely would decrease accidental gun deaths. (As shown by the numbers of children I have taught to safely shoot for an NRA/Boy Scout youth shoot, none of whom have shot up their schools yet)

Of course this is just a "silly argument", but obviously the benefit of having a "car culture" is one that we pay the price for in auto accidents, DUIS, and vehicular homicide, however we don't advocate getting rid of cars. But we can all agree that if there was better training when people got their driver's license there would be fewer accidents.

So instead of being irrational and "faith based" I believe that my opinion is pretty consistent.

Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 10:29:59 AM
Angie the point I was illustrating was not a commentary on purely the mechanical aspect of a gun. It is obvious that a gun is a weapon like any other, designed to stop your enemy from using a weapon on you. I have never advocated treating a gun without respect for its destructive capability.

However you cannot equate the design with the intent of the user, which I suppose was the mistake I made, and the distinction I was trying to point out. There is a difference between kill and murder, but many people make the two the same thing. We all know that you find your joy in the minute details and nitpicking, so let me rephrase.

"A gun may be designed to kill, but that does not mean it is designed for murder." There are times when you kill to save. There is a plethora of dual purpose technology out there that is only dependent on the intent of the user as to whether it causes harm or is beneficial.

Male, 30-39, Southern US
 6716 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 7:44:46 AM
Well thats a fine how do you do.

Male, 50-59, Canada
 29161 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 5:46:39 AM
"(cursed counter said 914! lolz!)"
I know! My link had a long address, that's likely why it ran over, but the counter only said 914...

I DO understand what you're saying @Angilion, yes guns are 'designed to kill'. But sometimes killing things is a good thing! Hunting sustained humanity for thousands of years, eh? And self defense is a human right, IMHO.

You seem to suggest that 'there's no need to hunt anymore, therefor lets ban guns' but there's no need for stamp collections either, it's a free world (kinda, sorta) and some people will choose to do strange things, eh?
Like visit IAB for example...

Female, 18-29, Europe
 3016 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 4:50:01 AM
i like living in a country where not every idiot can own a gun.

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 634 Posts
Monday, January 24, 2011 12:34:53 AM

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:57:37 PM
Really?? really? people like you make me sick

What, because I don't advocate gun ownership for everyone and pretend there's no drawbacks at all and it will stop most crime?

You can have your delusions if it makes you feel better. It won't change reality.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:55:22 PM
(cursed counter said 914! lolz!)

That may be a new record for IAB's "we'll pretend we're going to let you post it but we'll truncate it" limit.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:54:05 PM
A firearm CAN BE used for other things, it's just not as often.

Which has absolutely no relevance to what a gun is designed for, which was the point.

I can use a computer as a doorstop. Does that mean it was designed to hold doors open?

Defending ones self doesn't require killing; if the would-be robber runs away at the sight of your gun, it was used 'for self defence'

And why might it work for self defence?

Because it was designed solely for the purpose of killing things.

I've already addressed this point - it does not make any sense to arguing that threatening to kill someone with something designed to kill things means that it wasn't designed to kill things.

In future, please read my posts before replying to them or don't bother replying. I don't want to have to keep copying and pasting to remind everyone of the points you're either ignoring or pretending don't exist.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 7:47:10 PM
NO increase @angilion? How's 35% Grab you? Here's Just One Article of MANY found in just a few seconds on Bing, eh?

And here's some relevant facts:

i) The method used to count the crimes has changed. It now includes incidents that were not counted before because there's no supporting evidence they happened. So, for example, the new numbers include every time someone says they thought they saw someone with a gun. Even if it was actually something else.

ii) The figures from after the restrictions include things that weren't illegal before the restrictions. The restrictions made more things to do with guns illegal. That was the point of the restrictions.

iii) I did not say there had been NO increase. I said there hadn't been a HUGE increase. The passion of your faith in guns for everyone is over-riding your ability to understand what you read.

Male, 50-59, Canada
 29161 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:12:03 AM
... or even a fist.
(cursed counter said 914! lolz!)

Male, 50-59, Canada
 29161 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 11:10:39 AM
NO increase @angilion? How's 35% Grab you? Here's Just One Article of MANY found in just a few seconds on Bing, eh? It's not isolated, it's been doing that (rising) since the 1997 ban.

There are several possible causes for this:
- UK criminals now deal with MORE black market handguns. Criminals + guns = more gun crime
-there is an increase in gun useage in crimes world wide
-as gangs become more violent, they use more violent methods
& etc. The POINT is that the 'gun ban' did NOT reduce 'gun crime' period.

A firearm CAN BE used for other things, it's just not as often. Defending ones self doesn't require killing; if the would-be robber runs away at the sight of your gun, it was used 'for self defence', not killing, m-kay? The implied threat was there of course, but the same can be said for knife, baseball bat or e

Male, 18-29, Canada
 420 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:03:23 AM
@ Angilion

Really?? really? people like you make me sick

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 9:44:09 AM
As long as you have a gun culture and very widespread availability of guns, you are going to have multiple cases like this, plus children shooting themselves or other children without intending to kill anyone, plus stacks of corpses from people with guns losing their tempers.

The real question is whether or not you think a gun culture and very widespread availability of guns are benefits that are worth that price. You are going to pay that price, so there's no point arguing that a child might accidentally stab themself to death with a carving knife just as easily as they might accidentally shoot themself to death with a gun. Not that there's any point in such a silly argument anyway, but that's what gun advocates have to argue if they want to pretend that there are no costs to gun culture and very widespread gun ownership.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 9:36:32 AM
oh and no longer true anyhow, since ALL police in England now carry sidearms.

No, they don't.

See there was a huge INCREASE in gun violence after they passed all those restriction, eh?

No, there wasn't.

Your faith in gun use is leading you to state what you want to be true as if it was true. You should be wary of that.

The 90s restrictions on gun ownership in the UK had almost no effect because guns were very rare here before the bans, with the exception of shotguns in rural areas. They were a purely political response to two heavily publicised multiple killings.

If you want a real cause for the relatively small increase in gun violence over time in the UK, it is very obviously the USA since that's where the gun-happy culture is seeping from.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 9:27:29 AM
why do they need the forensics van?? he SAID he killed them all himself

Witness statements are not really proof of anything. They're often useless.

If you just want to convict someone, you'll take a confession and go home.

If you want to find out what happened, you'll do the investigation properly.

Besides, imagine this scenario:

Police turn up, find a youth saying he killed his family.

Case solved, everyone goes home.

A couple of weeks later, the youth changes his story. He didn't kill them, but he left the gun unattended in the open. When irrational with grief at the murder of his family, he blurted out the guilt he was feeling for leaving his gun out - if he had put it away, the killer couldn't have killed his family with it.

With your approach, that's the end of the case. There's no chance of a fair trial convicting him.

Male, 40-49, Europe
 12390 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 9:16:48 AM
Sadly Davy I have to disagree with you on this one. You look at a gun as something designed for the sole purpose of killing.

I look at it as something designed to save people.

Right there is a perfect example of how gun advocacy is based on faith more than reason.

A gun is designed for the sole purpose of killing. That is a fact. It is an object designed specifically for the purpose of propelling mass at high speed into something alive to make it dead.

Humans being versatile creatures, it's possible for us to use guns for purposes other than what they were designed for - a hammer, a club, another way to compete with each other. That doesn't change their purpose.

You're seriously arguing that using a gun to threaten to kill people (which is what you mean by saving people) means that a gun is not designed to kill people. That is not a rational argument.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 7 Posts
Sunday, January 23, 2011 8:58:20 AM
serves you right america

Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 325 Posts
Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:14:39 PM
Remember, people, it all starts with ignorance.

Female, 18-29, Canada
 1521 Posts
Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:28:55 PM
It was a rifle right? So probably a hunting gun. My fiance had his own hunting rifle when he was younger than 14 and he's never shot anyone. Wonder what was going through the boy's head...So sad.

Male, 18-29, Canada
 420 Posts
Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:56:15 PM
Holy sh*t people....

I'm sorry but you cant just make guns go away. there's good people and there's bad people and there's guns. making guns illegal or restricting ownership in anyway only keeps gun out of the hands of the good people. so....now the bad guys have gun and the good guys don't....see the fricken problem????

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 613 Posts
Saturday, January 22, 2011 6:34:25 PM
saintsfan, i can understand what you're saying, but it's not a very good analogy... not where guns are concerned. guns are meant to harm. harm for protection, harm for food, harm for fun in some cases. cars are meant to be transportation. also, you would slam on brakes, or try to, in a car. if that fails, sure you don't outlaw cars. he didn't know. but to pull a trigger multiple times is a conscious act.

i am not saying that guns should be outlawed, not saying that at all. i'm saying, you have to concede that maybe some better rules about who can handle them should be implemented. kind of how you wouldn't let a 14 yr old drive a car alone, when several, several decades ago there weren't laws against it.

and for that matter, seriously, what did he think would happen. he shot them all IN THE HEAD. that's not an accident. i feel so bad for his family. what an awful senseless tragedy.

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