 thecurt
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 406 Posts
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Sunday, January 09, 2011 9:06:27 PM
Just because you're in a wheelchair doesn't mean you can't kill someone with a knife. It also doesn't mean you're allowed to go around swinging your knife at cops. |
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 BadFiend
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
42 Posts
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Sunday, January 09, 2011 4:41:38 PM
Cops have carried guns for years, yet people STILL complain about getting shot. DERP if you are white, those guns will not be used on you, so you have nothing to worry about.
tl;dr - Stop being a minority. |
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 InfatuateMe
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
14 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 9:33:27 PM
My dad's carried a Xacto blade around with him everywhere cause he uses it at work. Yes it's dangerous. But depending on what the was in trouble for in the first place, he may have been just showing them his concealed weapon so he didn't get into more trouble. ..It's possible. |
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 IshiiDaFishy
Male, 18-29, Canada
774 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:24:40 PM
Cops have carried guns for years, yet people STILL complain about getting shot. DERP if you aren't breaking any laws, those guns will not be used on you, so you have nothing to worry about.
tl;dr - Stop breaking laws. |
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 SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
3088 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 2:09:40 PM
drating ass hole! |
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 Blatto
Male, 18-29, Western US
359 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 11:45:56 AM
@almightbob1 +1 internet for you |
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 inyoueye
Male, 30-39, Western US
22 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 11:38:33 AM
SF cops don't carry Tasers, but they didn't need to shoot him - they could have easily disarmed him with a nightstick. I think what happened was that one cop hit him with the beanbag, and the other one (hearing that shot) just shot him out of reflex. |
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 almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
4278 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 8:45:34 AM
So running around, threatening people with a knife is now some sort of civil liberty?
I think you'll find he wasn't running around anywhere. |
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 bophus
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
282 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:47:41 AM
"This is what you get when you don't pay attention to your civil liberties slipping away...and it gets worse from here."
So running around, threatening people with a knife is now some sort of civil liberty? |
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 Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
441 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:47:30 AM
2 Unlimited. Wow that brings me back. :^) |
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Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
441 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:46:43 AM
I'm for equal rights. Wheelchair or no wheelchair the questions are "Was he a threat? Did he surrender peacefully? Were the police in danger?". If you answer Yes, No, Yes, to those questions then he deseved to be shot. If you answered Yes, Yes, Yes, you weren't paying attension. Yes, No, No = huh? No, No, No was a bad Techno song from the 90s. |
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 Thorgrimmer
Male, 18-29, Asia
180 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:28:06 AM
He stabbed a cop in the shoulder. They first used pepper spray, then a beanbag round. When the suspect threw the knife in the direction of the officers seem to have taken that as an attack. If he had other weapons, they didn't know, he could have easily had more stowed in his chair and on his person.
Still, someone should have used a Taser before this point. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 4:12:54 AM
@SmilinSam
"fully armed/capable officers cannot disarm a handicapped man without shooting him?"
How can you be certain he is handicapped?
Anyone can sit in a wheelchair.
It wouldn't be smart for the police to just assume. They deal with people who lie and cheat and con all the time; their default attitude should be to doubt and question everything.
ESPECIALLY when a weapon is involved. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 3:52:48 AM
@jamie76
"wow, so basically cops just shot anything and anyone now huh...we allow this to happen. when are we going to stop it?"
Wave a knife around, get shot. Isn't that the expected course of events?
Why does it matter if he's in a wheelchair?
For one thing, a disibility shouldn't and doesn't get you special treatment. That's what equality is folks; you get treated just the same as everyone else (or special treatment that allows you to effectively get treated like everyone else; wheelchair ramps, etc).
Also, how do the cops know he's actually incapable of walking? I'm fully functional and capable of walking. Nothing is stopping me from sitting in a wheelchair and faking it. Making the assumption that wheelchair = harmless could be dangerous. |
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 manorrd
Male, 30-39, Europe
2998 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 2:22:21 AM
The most disturbing thing about this whole clip was the foul language from the potty-mouth recording the video.
C'mon, San Francisco Chronicle, clean up your act! |
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 Lurkmonster
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
21 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 12:14:04 AM
They should have just shot his tires out.....
But joking aside.... if those were nonlethal rounds then there is no news here. Wield a knife like a crazy guy then you've got it coming... wheelchair or not. |
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 Kaagan
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1331 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:42:36 PM
they did the right thing. a guy with a knife you shoot them with a non lethal round |
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 handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
2402 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:34:19 PM
@I-IS-BORED
Could you go over that again? |
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 simmerslodra
Male, 18-29, Western US
79 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 11:32:34 PM
Not saying the cops were in the right. SF chronicle quotes a PD rep. saying that officers saw the knife being thrown at them instead of being discarded, then they fired. Bad situational awareness gets people needlessly shot.
That said, depending on the distance of someone with a knife from you, they can harm you before you have a chance to un-holster your weapon aim and fire. This is why police are supposed to maintain 20 ft in these circumstances, which these officers did not, and have weapons drawn. They probably all realized how close they were at once and freaked out, bam, horrifying events ensue.
If it were me as a civilian in the same situation, and I'd fired, I'd probably lose a lot of sleep over it, but I'd be pissed if anyone said I should be punished for defending myself. The guy had the intent and means to hurt people, and plenty of people have faked physical illnesses before. |
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 I-IS-BORED
Male, 18-29, Canada
2432 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:33:48 PM
@Cajun
how many times do i need to say this?
THEY DO NOT HAVE THAT EQUIPMENT! THEY ARE PETITIONING TO GET IT AND THIS IS ACTUALLY BEING USED AS EVIDENCE OF THEIR NECESSITY!
and a taser hit anywhere CAN kill somebody, NON-LETHAL shots DON'T.
Do you people actually expect the police to follow this mentally deranged man wielding a knife around town offering him flowers until he decides to stop stabbing people? |
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 Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
26255 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:32:48 PM
I still think it's a bean bag gun,
but if it's not "we allow this to happen. when are we going to stop it? "
This is what you get when you don't pay attention to your civil liberties slipping away...and it gets worse from here.
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jamie76
Male, 30-39, Western US
2249 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:20:48 PM
wow, so basically cops just shot anything and anyone now huh...we allow this to happen. when are we going to stop it?
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BRKNVLTR
Male, 40-49, Southern US
378 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:18:06 PM
Well it seems he really is handi-capable! |
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 drworm2002
Male, 30-39, Western US
460 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:03:54 PM
"Bean Bag gun... he's not hurt. " they tried that then real bullets
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 Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
3498 Posts
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Thursday, January 06, 2011 9:34:30 PM
Doesn't look like it. So they just chose to end his life.
His injuries were NOT LIFE-THREATENING.
Excessive? Maybe. Murder? No. A good use of a bullet to prevent captain psycho from potentially breeding through some method? I think so.
If it were to no be removed you would eventually die from causes such as blood loss and/or anaerobic bacteria poisoning.
Actually, initially, leaving the bullet in helps to stop blood loss. Taking the bullet OUT generally causes more blood loss than just leaving it in.
Also, as for "Anaerobic bacteria poisoning"... I could get a f*cking SPLINTER in my finger and end up with complications like that. As long as it's well-treated at an adequately equipped medical facility, the only problems would be pure bad luck. |
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