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 Trojan
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 512 Posts
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Wednesday, January 12, 2011 6:59:06 PM
I've been to church when I was in the closet about my atheism, and I knew it was bs. I suppose Bill O'Reilly is a loon. |
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 DotCommunism
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
29 Posts
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Monday, January 10, 2011 4:53:34 PM
Goddamnit Poppa Bear is obnoxious. I don't care what he's arguing for or against, his candor with guests just makes me want to vomit in a ziplock and mail it to him. |
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 BadFiend
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
42 Posts
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Sunday, January 09, 2011 4:59:26 PM
There is no one question or statement that I can pose to make a theist convert to atheism, I can only hope that the things I say will cause them to seriously question their beliefs, as I did. And maybe that will allow them to see that atheism isn't about disbelieving God, it's about believing that one day we will understand our origin, and chances are it's not going to be Yahweh or Allah. People put their faith in Jesus, or some similar prophet, and are blinded to the possibilities out there. I do want people to stop believing in god, but I don't want them to agree with me. Differing opinions are what makes us human, and voicing them is what gives us humanity. If you don't want me to talk about what I believe, stop going door to door with a Bible, stop building grand churches with towering steeples, and watch the world grow silent as everyone fears offending the people around them too much to say what they believe. |
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 beccajdavis
Female, 18-29, Southern US
165 Posts
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Saturday, January 08, 2011 11:41:48 PM
To Calithlin,
I live in the south of the United States of America, (South Carolina, to be exact) and I am seriously offended by your comment. Because of all of the hell I would get from all of the 'Bible-Belt-Christ-Humpers' out there, because of all the ridicule, the "praying for my soul", I don't announce to the world that I am an atheist. For you to say that my kind 'force' their beliefs on other people is an insult to the effort that I have put forth since the eighth grade to conceal my true beliefs. |
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 MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Saturday, January 08, 2011 3:02:46 PM
Ok - I believe 'beliefs' is spelt this way not that
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 Calithlin
Male, 18-29, Western US
38 Posts
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Saturday, January 08, 2011 5:43:32 AM
People force their beleifs on other people regardless of religion. Take athiests for example... |
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 InfatuateMe
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
14 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 9:42:13 PM
I don't believe there is a God but if it makes my family happy then i do. |
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 lilwitch
Female, 18-29, Canada
18 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 3:17:49 PM
I agree 100% furryblob. I have my opinions and unless necessary I do not unleash them on unsuspecting people |
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 tridirk
Male, 50-59, Western US
312 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 2:03:38 PM
It's when people use religion to make decisions that effect us all or try to force their beliefs on others. Then I have a problem.
Politicians do this all the time.
The religion of believing in a god, or the religion believing in a cause, does it really matter?
I think most of us apply our beliefs to the moral values that we live by each day. No matter where those beliefs come from don't we? |
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 Jats
Male, 18-29, Canada
243 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 1:29:36 PM
I'll just make this short and sweet: God isn't real. |
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 furryblob
Male, 18-29, Europe
545 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 1:18:59 PM
I don't mind if religion gives people comfort. It's when people use religion to make decisions that effect us all or try to force their beliefs on others. Then I have a problem. |
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 Blatto
Male, 18-29, Western US
359 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 11:54:40 AM
Thor is the god of thunder. What a noob |
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MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 11:31:54 AM
VV and fear, hate and repression, those too.
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austin1
Male, 30-39, Western US
289 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 9:35:33 AM
Whether religion is a scam or not, it does provide comfort for hundreds of millions of people. Why can’t people just let people be happy. |
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MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 9:25:20 AM
:) I'm not sure I could explain it any better myself. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 9:11:59 AM
@MattPrince
"Also for everyone who laughs and says they know how tides work, do you really understand the double bulge effect (I'm still not sure Musuko does) What about double tides?"
I understand the double bulge effect. I'm just bad at explaining it. :P
It is very difficult to get your head around. It took a while to find an explanation that I could understand and build up from.
What's important, though, is the effort made to understand it; you don't know, so you go about finding out. Rather than just go "I don't know, that means god did it with MAGIC!" |
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MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 8:56:23 AM
No, no, no. Explaining the why of the moons tides weakens the atheist position. The atheist does not need to prove anything. Its pointless to try and explain things to the faithful anyway (religious counter - so who put the moon up there then?)
A true atheist don't need an imaginary friend for stuff to work. Whether they know how it works or not (yet).
Also for everyone who laughs and says they know how tides work, do you really understand the double bulge effect (I'm still not sure Musuko does) What about double tides? |
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 BDT1981
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
126 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 8:01:17 AM
Yes calling something a scam is insulting.
Atheist have just as much right to put up billboards as churches do and I have seen church billboards.
Bill o'Reilly is an idiot.
Tides are proof the moon has a gravitational pull on the Earth.
The other guy is an idiot for not using that last argument. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:06:29 AM
And the reason we assume "no god" until "god" is proved, in the same way we assume "no guilt" until "guilt" is proved?
Well, because that is the default rational position to occupy; nothing exists until proven otherwise. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 6:01:35 AM
I'm not explaining it very well, but that's vaguely the essence of the Null Hypothesis:
A good explanation is this: in the courts, you are innocent until proven guilty. You can also be proven innocent (alibi, etc), but the innocence is presumed until proven either way, innocence being "absence of guilt".
So "absence of god" is assumed until proof of "god". |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 5:57:41 AM
@eskimo9
And atheists are not saying that there is proof of no god. We are saying that there is no proof that there IS god.
It's like being in an empty room, unable to see the outside world. Logically, you would say that there is no proof that ducks exist, because there is no duck in the room. You are not saying that ducks DO NOT exist somewhere.
But you ARE saying that there is currently no proof to lead you to believe that ducks DO exist.
So until someone brings a duck into the room, it is logical to not believe that ducks exist.
Not believing something exists /= believing something does not exist.
Very important distinction. But for everyday conversation, it's easier to say "does not exist" than "there is no proof that it does exist". |
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 eskimo9
Male, 18-29, Australia
710 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 5:43:04 AM
I like the way the caption reads: "Bill O'Reilly doesn't understand tides and that's proof enough to him that there is a God," rather than, say, "Head of the atheist movement attacks heads of religion with defamatory signs." Wonder which way IAB staffers swing?
Also, '[religion] is defined by FAITH, which is belief without proof, an attribute that atheism certainly does NOT share.' Really? Absence of proof is not proof of absence, so atheism does not run on pure PROOF, rather on FAITH that there is no God.
Not that I can really complain, I'm a fence-sitter who likes to stir the pot. |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 5:40:35 AM
And that's roughly the explanation; the Earth is falling towarsds the Moon, with the "front" being pulled ahead of the main bulk of the Earth, because it's closer and experiencing a stronger gravitational tug, and the "rear" lagging behind the main bulk of the Earth as it's further away and not experiencing as strong a gravitational tug.
The effect is VERY slight, but because we have fluid seas that move about freely, it is more obvious than, say, it is on the Moon (which experiences the same effect from the Earth). |
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Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
2109 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 5:36:51 AM
By the by, for anyone who doesn't get the tides thing (because it confused me for a LONG time; the part where you get a tide on the side AWAY from the moon too), here's my way of explaining it:
The Earth and the Moon are actually orbiting eachother. The moon is pulled towards the Earth, and the Earth is pulled towards the moon. They are constantly falling towards eachother and missing.
The side of the Earth facing the Moon is being pulled harder towards the Moon than the middle of the Earth is, because it is closer. This explains the high tide there, because the water is being pulled up harder than the Earth beneath it.
The side facing away from the Moon is not being pulled as hard as the centre or nearside of the Earth are being pulled, as it is further away from the Moon. The high tide here is caused by the water not falling as quickly towards the Moon as the Earth beneath it is. |
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Knifedyoubro
Male, 13-17, Western US
2 Posts
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Friday, January 07, 2011 5:26:34 AM
It's caused by the moons gravitational pull dim wits. |
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