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Senate Votes To Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

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reptilia
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 34 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 8:54:31 PM
auburnjunky, your logic is flawed. You're basically saying that makes it okay for lesbians to watch straight men get naked in the changing room because they're NOT attracted to them. By your standards, it shouldn't matter so long as there's no attraction. So you and all men should be totally comfortable getting naked for an audience of gay women.

Also, your argument basically justifies laws in middle eastern countries that make women cover themselves head to toe so they won't "tempt" men to rape them. Gay guys should lie about who they are so as not to tempt hicks into kicking their asses. America isn't supposed to prohibit freedoms, even if it's just to "protect" somebody and prevent crime against them. That's completely backward, that's just punishing the innocent. America holds people responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others. If you can't deal with the law, you're the one who gets punished. The really homophobic can choose not to joi

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 8:52:09 PM
Yep.

With a gay wingman, you can avoid the friend zone.

belunan
Male, 30-39, Western US
 1511 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 3:08:11 PM
"Also one of my friends is gay and he makes the BEST wingman ever."

This comment wins the Internet.

Reganom
Male, 18-29, Europe
 505 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 1:46:37 PM
If I have to hear about it every night on the news, and gay servicemen/women start getting hazed all the time, then I say bring it back.


Or discharge the idiots that do the hazing.

Also, why does it come across to me that you think that with out the DADT you're suddenly showering with gay guys where as you weren't before. They haven't changed, all that is changed is that you know. If they weren't getting their rocks off over you in the shower before they won't be now.

Also one of my friends is gay and he makes the BEST wingman ever.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 1:23:25 PM
@splurbsdfblawef:

Showered in open showers during High School/College sports.

I'm really just playing devil's advocate here. I really, to be honest, don't give a crap unless it causes problems.

If I have to hear about it every night on the news, and gay servicemen/women start getting hazed all the time, then I say bring it back.

Other than that, hooray.

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 12:36:24 PM
Enough with this ignorant talk about military showers. It's complete nonsense. I know this as fact considering I am 14+ years in the Marines and have had to, on various occasions, take showers in the open.

If you think that a gay man is going to see another naked man and instantly pop a boner, you are straight up drating retarded. Yes, that is a direct character attack on YOU if you believe it.

Some of the people proclaiming things about situations they obviously have NEVER had to deal with in their cushy, sheltered life makes me sad that I have sworn to lay down my life for halfwits like you.

If you have never actively been part of a war or actually showered with other naked men... I can't say that you shouldn't comment, but at least do some research and/or use some drating logic.

QueenZira
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2140 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 12:01:49 PM
Has anyone ever seen a military shower here? Seriously, I'm sure they let you wear towels and everything... Or you can just handle it like my straight male friends do, take it as a compliment and kindly explain why it just wouldn't work out.

But when it comes to coed showers, I'm against it. There's too much of a power imbalance there and it's just inviting trouble. If it weren't for that I would have no problem taking a shower with a cute guy (whom I'm in a relationship with of course).

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 11:05:28 AM
Forget it. We agree to disagree. Please refer back to this post when the hate crimes within our military begin. Our high level leaders are going to have to have meetings on how to make this work, rather than making plans to end our stupid war.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 11:05:20 AM
@musoko:

I understand self control. I also understand that, just speaking for myself here, don't want another male fantasizing about my dangly parts.

Now do not skewer me for that comment. No I do not think I'm such hot poop that a gay man would desire me. I have no idea what goes into that though process. I am just saying that Women have hangups about men seeing them naked (which is why the military has segregated barracks/shower areas for men and women), so as such, SOME MEN would have a hang up about an openly gay man showering with them. I don't want a guy looking at me with his rock hard erection okay? Do you think a woman would like to see a guy gawking at her naked body while they shower and he's set to burst?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 10:58:45 AM
@splurbyburbl: You totally missed the point.

"Why is there this grand assumption that gay men should be at all considered females?"

Because they LIKE MEN SEXUALLY. That's why. People equate things they do not understand, with things they do understand. I do not understand what makes a man like a man, so I equate it with a woman liking a man.

Also: "The military harbors some of the greatest minds and/or the best talents. And like any large organization, the miltary also harbors it's ten percent of morons and trouble makers."

That's basically what I said.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 10:57:30 AM
@auburnjunky

The modern militaries of nations that do not employ conscription or national service are, on the whole, extremely well-trained and specialised, and anything but "rednecks, white trash, and thugs".

Again, if what you say is true, then your military has serious problems unrelated to sexuality. And if what you are saying is incorrect, then once again you owe a huge apology to your armed forces.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 10:53:19 AM
@auburnjunky

"Is it okay to have an 18-25 year old man shower with a bunch of 18-25 year old women?"

Yes.

"Is it okay to have an 18-25 year old gay man shower with a bunch of 18-25 year old men?"

Yes.

There exists such a thing as "self-control" and also "just because I'm attracted to men/women, does not mean I am attracted to EVERY man/woman", otherwise known as "get over yourself, you're not all that".

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 10:28:00 AM
"Is it okay to have an 18-25 year old gay man shower with a bunch of 18-25 year old men? (maybe for the gay guy!)"

Why is there this grand assumption that gay men should be at all considered females? I don't think most gay men consider themselves female, why should we??

Auburn, you truly are an ignorant little runt.


splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 10:25:55 AM
@auburnjunky
"While I love and appreciate our military, I also acknowledge that it is a safety net for rednecks, white trash, and thugs who have no hope of making it in a real, mid level paying job. They enlist right out of high school."

Well, see... I am really glad you just came out and said that in the open. Now I don't have to wonder if you have any character worth mentioning or if you are at all a credible source of information. Whatever credibility you may have had just went straight out the window in the time it took you to press "Post Reply". It must be nice and cozy in that little bubble of yours if you actually believe the filth that I quoted you. The military harbors some of the greatest minds and/or the best talents. And like any large organization, the miltary also harbors it's ten percent of morons and trouble makers. I thought you were smart enough to understand that.

Atlas325
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 9 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 9:48:57 AM
The way it goes period is that it is still at the soldiers discretion to come out. They know the danger w/ the "ruffians" Just be a man about it. Gay romances aren't going to be allowed any more they straight ones are. And I don't know why every man is scared that a guy will be interested in him. If you're thick-headed enough to be anti-gay, then there is a HUGE probability they won't think poo of you.
And no, he doesn't have the ability to make advances without recourse, he just has the ability to be true about who he is and still serve the country he loves. Even if you do hate it, the majority of the country doesn't. Which means you are over-ruled. If you love your country enough to fight for it you should agree with the principle of majority rules. And now that said ruling has passed, be a man, grow up, and live with it.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 9:26:43 AM
Okay. Let me ask you this.

Is it okay to have an 18-25 year old man shower with a bunch of 18-25 year old women? (maybe for the guy!)

Is it okay to have an 18-25 year old gay man shower with a bunch of 18-25 year old men? (maybe for the gay guy!)

Just a question.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33697 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 9:22:49 AM


reptilia
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 34 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 8:32:54 AM
EricWRN, weren't gays serving in the military before the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell? I mean, DADT didn't actually prevent gay people from joining the military if they kept it hidden. Which means that no "social structure" is actually changing. These are the same guys there were before. Only, some people you're serving with will just stop lying to you about how hot they think girls are. Deal with it, you freaking baby.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9576 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 8:31:39 AM
@musoko:

While I love and appreciate our military, I also acknowledge that it is a safety net for rednecks, white trash, and thugs who have no hope of making it in a real, mid level paying job. They enlist right out of high school.

It is definitely a good thing they do, because in 90% of cases, the military teaches them discipline and the skills needed to be productive in the world. Our current school system in this country fails at that for some people.

That small minority of stupid, inbred, idiots who join the military to play with guns and kill legally though, I feel that it will be much easier for them to find an outlet for their meaningless existence with DADT being lifted.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2742 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 6:25:14 AM
@auburnjunky

"General Petreaus says we shouldn't change policy in time of war."

Hasn't the US been at war pretty much non-stop since 2001?

If you waited for peace before making changes, they'd never happen. There will ALWAYS be something going on.

And are you honestly claiming that your highly-trained best and bravest are going to be driven to violence by merely being asked out on a date?

Because that's what you're saying here:

"The argument of "X was gay last week and you showered with him and slept in the same barracks" is moot.
Now he has the ability to make advances with no recourse.
Lots of late night soap-in-a-sock beatings will soon commence."

Is that how little you think of your armed forces? That they're just out-of-control thugs?

If they are, then your military has major problems. If they're not, you owe them a HUGE apology for that insult.

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 5:18:43 AM
Having been in combat a number of times, I find it doubtful it will significant negative effects on morale, combat effectiveness or discipline. There will be some, however I have a feeling it will be no more than usual. Meaning, the same people who will cause a problem, would have caused a problem over a different subject/circumstance sooner or later anyways.

EricWRN
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 593 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 4:56:08 AM
"i only hear civilians complaining about the repeal of DADY" - that's because you aren't around any military

I got out of the Army 2 years ago and i work on an Army post as a DoD Civilian now and I haven't heard a single soldier who thinks this isn't a horrible idea.

And I agree that a president who changes BATTLE STRATEGY in the middle of a war we're not winning is noble. A president who has NEVER SERVED who pushes a change in the SOCIAL STRUCTURE of the military during an actual war is a drating thoughtless, useless, moron

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 3:50:35 AM
"The Commandant of the Marine Corps has gone on record saying it works. The Joint Chiefs of Staff agree with it, and General Petreaus says we shouldn't change policy in time of war."

And I persoanlly feel they know exactly what they are talking about, so I am not trying to discredit them at all. I strongly feel they would rather not make any drastic changes during a war, but on the other hand I feel that if it were not for war, there would be another excuse.

Bottom line is, with any large change within the military, there is always a period of complaint and grumbling, but in time they all fall in line and it becomes business as usual. It happened with females, and it will happen with this too. And after all is said and done, we will still be a good fighting force.

Golden1
Female, 18-29, Western US
 121 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 2:09:35 AM
It's about time. I'm proud of the senate and the republicans that voted to get rid of this.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 1:48:43 AM
The Commandant of the Marine Corps has gone on record saying it works. The Joint Chiefs of Staff agree with it, and General Petreaus says we shouldn't change policy in time of war.

And all those people can suck it.

You don't keep persecuting a minority because "it works". You don't deny the contributions of your citizens because they were born a certain way.

And even if it causes us to lose this freakin' pointless war (which is highly unlikely), it is NEVER a bad time to do the right thing.

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