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Joe Rogan Takes On Noah's Ark

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Zombiemike
Male, 18-29, Western US
 555 Posts
Thursday, January 27, 2011 12:38:07 AM
I don't know why people take comedy acts as theologically sound arguments. I mean, seriously, anyone can take a bible verse and sprinkle it with sarcasm. But then people try to take that to an actual anti-religious debate like it's some sort of credible source.

BootneckBaz
Male, 30-39, Europe
 17 Posts
Tuesday, January 25, 2011 2:02:22 PM
Collegebound. Why are you going to college to learn? Whats the whole point if magic is the answer?

VastHerd
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 37 Posts
Monday, December 20, 2010 1:17:27 PM
joe rogan is my hero. every video i've seen of him he is handing someone their own ass.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4834 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:52:24 PM
"Angillion I'm not convinced of your ark-making skills. Your arguments really only apply to boats designed for travel."
Me-effing dammit!!! You people are going in the wrong direction.
You are worried about the size of a boat.
"How many species would there be in an area the size a family would feel safe traveling and gathering?"

More unbelievable is: "Why/how could an entire world flood in 41 days?"
If you think into how large someone of the bronze age thought the world was, knowing that people rarely traveled more than 20 miles from the spot on which they were born, kinda shrinks the scale of the probable event that the story is probably based.

Dude A: "I'll tell you the story of the cracked-pot who built a boat on a hill at just the right time to survive a tidal wave."
Dude B: "A tidal wave? Not dramatic enough..."

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4834 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 10:39:40 PM
"Your sad obsession with "mostly wood" verses wooden built boats is an effort at misdirection."
I take it your college engineering class never had the concrete boat discussion and experiments...

"...don't believe the whole truth of the stories presented in the Bible...."
"If any part of a man's testimony is found to be untrue, the whole of his testimony is to be discarded."
So: "In the beginning..." On which day, the sixth or the seventh, did he rest? If you know the answer, look to see if this was ever changed.

collegebound
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3738 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 6:54:55 PM
"hey gang... mayb God did a miracle and made them all fit into a little boat with room to spare. And also made food for a day last 40 days, He's done that one before.

Why go out of your way to prove it can't be done?

It's Magic... get with the program!"

thank you gerry1of1...thank you...

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:53:57 PM
"The materials used are a misdirection when considering if a boat of a certain size can be made of a certain material...right, yes, of course it is."

It's perfectly simple. Any reasonable person considers a thing to be made from wood even if small amounts of other materials are used such as glue, nails, etc. Wooden clothes pegs often contain a metal spring but are described as wooden to distinguish them from the plastic kind.

I see no point in continuing this debate but don't let that stop you. :^)

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:34:20 PM
Wooden boats are not typically made using steel nails. We use copper alloys or galvanized nails at a pinch. Your sad obsession with "mostly wood" verses wooden built boats is an effort at misdirection.


The materials used are a misdirection when considering if a boat of a certain size can be made of a certain material...right, yes, of course it is.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:32:50 PM
You dismiss my experience in boat building as being irrelevant yet you have not claimed ANY expertise in this area. You have an opinion and nothing to back it up.


Apart from what actually happens when large (>~250ft) mostly wooden boats are built.

You have no experience in building wooden or mostly wooden boats 500 feet long. No-one has. You are assuming that your experience with much smaller boats means that boat sized can be increased a great deal without any increase in problems. That's not true.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 1:05:43 PM
@Angilion I am only debating whether it is possible to build a wooden boat over 500 feet long that is sea worthy. You keep bringing the ark story up. My OP stated clearly that I did not believe the ark story.

Wooden boats are not typically made using steel nails. We use copper alloys or galvanized nails at a pinch. Your sad obsession with "mostly wood" verses wooden built boats is an effort at misdirection.

You dismiss my experience in boat building as being irrelevant yet you have not claimed ANY expertise in this area. You have an opinion and nothing to back it up.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:26:07 PM
Thinking about it a bit more, I think a 500ft raft wouldn't be seaworthy either. It might float on a calm surface, but I think it would break up in anything else.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:24:35 PM
Maybe the ark was a spaceship, eden was another planet and all the creatures were stored in the form of records of the DNA, to be remade on Earth. Over time, the stories got mixed together and the non-human crew of the ship were mistakenly thought to be Noah and his family.

Makes more sense than the traditional interpretation.

Of course, anyone who belives the ark story to be literally true must also be in favour of incest. How else could all humans be descended from the only survivors of the flood, Noah and his immediate family?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:19:27 PM
Metal nails have been available since the bronze age.


You didn't read the text you replied to. Here are the relevant bits:

Maybe bronze, depending on what date you use


far too expensive for a farmer even if it was available


What date do you use for the flood? Why?
What date do you use for the start of the bronze age? Why?

Why do you assume that Noah was rich enough to be able to afford large amounts of bronze even if it did exist at the time?

They were well suited to boat building. Steel is not.


Which is why bronze is extensively used for boat building and steel isn't...no, wait, that's completely the opposite of what's true.

Your statment that a 500 plus foot boat is not possible / unseaworthy is simply nonsense.


A statement I never made.

A 500ft *wooden* boat is not possible, even with modern metal reinforcement

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:10:32 PM
The story is definitely retarded but a 500 ft wooden boat is possible.


A 500ft raft might be. That's a good point. A 500ft boat simply isn't, even if it's only mostly wood.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 12:07:28 PM
I grew up in a fishing community. We build wooden boats, we sail them, we fish in them. I know what i'm talking about. My forefathers passed the knowledge on.


How large is the biggest boat you have that's built with at best early bronze age and quite possible stone age materials?

In fact, how large is the largest semi-wooden boat you have?

It's nowhere near 500ft, is it? 100ft?

So you're basing your analysis on something that isn't relevant.

The bigger the wooden boat, the more it leaks. 300ft semi-wooden boats reinforced with materials that Noah could not possibly have had did require constant machine pumping. This is not speculation based on the idea that if you can build something at one size you must be able to build it at any size with no more problems. It's what actually happens with large semi-wooden boats that actually existed.

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:47:59 AM
Parable
(noun)
1. short allegory to teach a moral

dm2754
Male, 40-49, Western US
 3122 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:42:36 AM
read "Epic of Gilgamesh"

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 24154 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:30:53 AM
God could also make the ark larger on the inside than it was on the outside.

I mentioned the Aztecs before; Quetzaloatl lived in a hut that was larger on the inside than it was on the outside, and it's walls were the four seasons... funny how much great mythologies have in common, eh? One could NOT say that Jews and Aztecs had any contact, esp since they're 2000 years apart in time.
Baba Yaga's hut was bigger inside too.

However: if we just say "Oh, God made a miracle" it's hardly 'logical' anymore. I pointed out to a creationist (after hearing the dino-bones arguement) that God could have created the Earth 5 minutes ago, and Jesus is just a memory implanted in our newly created brains. Lolz!

Panentheism works for me too @Samsqaunch.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:28:16 AM
"Where would Noah have got metal nails from? Maybe bronze, depending on what date you use, but that's not as good as steel and it would have been far too expensive for a farmer even if it was avail"

Metal nails have been available since the bronze age. I have a bronze nail in my home that I found on a dive off the coast of Cork. They were well suited to boat building. Steel is not.

Your statment that a 500 plus foot boat is not possible / unseaworthy is simply nonsense.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:21:01 AM
"So...where did Noah get the pumping motor from? A time machine? Bear in mind that a 300ft boat *on a calm lake* and made from wood heavily reinforced with steel nails, steel bands and steel plates, still required constant pumping by a couple of very powerful motorised pumps."

Sorry but no. Wooden boats do not require constant puming. One man with a hand bailer or two men working a manual pump can remove significant amounts of water. The seepage in a typical wooden constructed boat is NOT significant. It is minor.

I grew up in a fishing community. We build wooden boats, we sail them, we fish in them. I know what i'm talking about. My forefathers passed the knowledge on.

Creabhain
Male, 40-49, Europe
 441 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 11:16:48 AM
"Just making a fool of yourself.
Yes, wooden boats leak. That was my point, you fool."

Temper temper. There is no need for name calling. Relax. It's only a debate not a personal attack.

My point was that leaks are normal and are not a problem. EVERY wooden boat leaks. They still work just fine. Ask any sailor.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33895 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 9:27:51 AM
hey gang... mayb God did a miracle and made them all fit into a little boat with room to spare. And also made food for a day last 40 days, He's done that one before.

Why go out of your way to prove it can't be done?

It's Magic... get with the program!

kingpong
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 640 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 8:13:35 AM
Angillion I'm not convinced of your ark-making skills. Your arguments really only apply to boats designed for travel. The ark would have probably been more like a raft. Heyerdahl's Kon-Tiki lasted over 100 days on the Pacific in rough seas. Had it been a boat it probably would have been double or triple hulled, greatly reducing the need for constant bailing, especially over a relatively short period of time for a boat. It would never be able to hold all of the animals, correct, but a 500 ft raft or boat wouldn't be all that difficult to make. It wouldn't need to travel or anything so there wouldn't be openings for oars either. The story is definitely retarded but a 500 ft wooden boat is possible.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:28:03 AM
Gah, cut off early as usual.

...feed, water and muck out the animals.

A sizable island wouldn't be big enough, let alone a boat.

Maybe a boat 10 miles long with a crew of 10,000 or so would be enough. Maybe.

Actually, you'd probably need facilities for all the fish, too. I doubt if they'd survive such a radical change in their environment.

Maybe a boat 50 miles long. Maybe.

Then you get to the YECs and their insanity that requires 2-14 of *every animal that has ever existed on the planet*.

Maybe a boat the size of England. Maybe.

It's just plain silly.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11035 Posts
Sunday, December 19, 2010 7:23:53 AM
will someone please do the math and figure out how big of a boat you'd need to fit two of every species?


It wasn't two - that's a misconception because of the phrase translated as "the male and his female". In pairs, yes, but not just one pair of each.

You don't just need space for the animals.

You also need space for all the land plants, as they wouldn't be able to survive 40 days of flooding.

You also need landing space for all flying creatures because they can't fly continuously for 40 days without food.

You also need food for all of the animals for 40 days.

You also need water for all of the animals for 40 days.

You also need exercise space for all of the animals for 40 days.

You also need space to deal with all the dung and urine for 40 days. Have you seen how much an elephant poos in 40 days?

You also need space for the many thousands of crew needed to feed and muck out t

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