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 dielaughing
Female, 13-17, Western US
 130 Posts
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Sunday, December 19, 2010 2:02:42 AM
Really awesome maneuvering...but was that a hostage? |
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 DeathsAngel
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
86 Posts
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Saturday, December 18, 2010 11:13:05 AM
@mirnik, that was a real exfil. |
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 mirnik
Female, 40-49, Europe
11 Posts
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Saturday, December 18, 2010 8:21:27 AM
did anybody see the guy around 1.33 with tied hands and eyes ?? Are they acting for training or is it real ?? |
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 MyJobSucks
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
177 Posts
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Friday, December 17, 2010 10:37:35 AM
our military is SO BAD ASS |
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 hypno1
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
69 Posts
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Friday, December 17, 2010 5:00:03 AM
@DeathsAngel and I LOVE flying in the Hawks! |
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hypno1
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
69 Posts
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Friday, December 17, 2010 4:58:34 AM
@DeathsAngel ahhh I gotcha. Like I said, I'm just an FA guy who got to hang around 'em for awhile. Although I thought I recalled some of the pilots saying they liked to fly with the AFCS off from time to time because it improved their overall piloting skills. I guess you wouldn't want to be that pilot who is out over indian country and have an AFCS failure without some practice...might make RTB a little interesting! |
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 SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
3088 Posts
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Friday, December 17, 2010 2:40:28 AM
@bergeracman nah a barrel roll doesn't look good |
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 T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
600 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:26:03 PM
It's alright hon, that's no deal breaker. Besides, if you are going to deploy, don't you need someone to send you cookies and sweet letters that smell like home? |
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 handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
2402 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:16:10 PM
@DeathAngel
Yet you still think it's not impressive sh*t to do? Wow your a tough sell. |
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DeathsAngel
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
86 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:28:03 PM
Marley, maybe but I deploy in Feb. |
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T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
600 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 3:47:38 PM
Angel, wanna get married? |
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DeathsAngel
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
86 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:35:40 PM
Btw, this is a blackhawk doing a two wheel landing (give me a break, we only have three wheels!). Anyways, this manuever's actually MORE difficult because the tail naturally wants to be on the ground first. I know its a crappy angle but cut me some slack, I was actually IN the helicopter and more worried about my pilots smashing the belly on the edge of this mountain. You can't tell but its a good 100ft drop. |
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DeathsAngel
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
86 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:26:27 PM
@hypno1: You're relatively correct except for one thing, AFCS helps stabilze the aircraft in all modes of flight. Also, its not a system that the pilots ever turn off, except in an emergency. Its a constant system because inputting one change (ie pitch) requires another input (ie trim) to be made to maintain your trim, heading, speed and altitude due to the rotor wash giving off by the aircraft. It also helps stabilize during inadvertant inputs (ie gusts of wind). While this manuever would be almost impossible without AFCS, its not a choice the pilots would ever need to make because an AFCS failure means returning to base immediately. |
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DeathsAngel
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
86 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 2:20:28 PM
@handys003: No handy, what I'm saying is that a CHINOOK pilot with +/- 250hrs (they leave flight school with ~100hrs) could do this. I've seen it. Did you see the guy on the ramp? Well, that's MY job, though thankfully on UH60s. Its aft rotor head, size and weight have absolutely NOTHING to do with performing that manuever EXCEPT when calculating if they'll have enough power to hover. Those aft blades sit approximately 25ft off the ground when shut down and even higher when spinning. Also, the pitch of the aircraft actually HELPS because every landing a helicopter does, it does so TAIL first.
@Fartman51, you'd be surprised between a guy in flight school and a guy with <100hrs OUT of flight school. The Army likes to teach via doing. Usually our new guys first flights out of flight school, they're doing everything they learned and a LOT they didn't. We don't hold our pilots hands. They get trained and they get it fast. |
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 Discomonkey
Male, 13-17, Europe
1385 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 12:46:50 PM
"Why couldnt you simply have said, up is vertical?"
Cause so is down |
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AfroAussie
Male, 18-29, Europe
73 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:34:31 AM
"In astronomy, geography, geometry and related sciences and contexts, a direction passing by a given point is said to be vertical if it is locally aligned with the gradient of the gravity field, i.e., with the direction of the gravitational force (per unit mass, i.e. gravitational acceleration vector) at that point. In general, something that is vertical can be drawn from up to down (or down to up), such as the y-axis in the Cartesian coordinate system."
Why couldnt you simply have said, up is vertical? |
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 Quackor
Male, 18-29, S. America
2667 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 8:58:26 AM
In astronomy, geography, geometry and related sciences and contexts, a direction passing by a given point is said to be vertical if it is locally aligned with the gradient of the gravity field, i.e., with the direction of the gravitational force (per unit mass, i.e. gravitational acceleration vector) at that point. In general, something that is vertical can be drawn from up to down (or down to up), such as the y-axis in the Cartesian coordinate system. |
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bergeracman
Male, 18-29, Europe
100 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:15:11 AM
do a barrel roll! |
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hypno1
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
69 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:58:44 AM
Although I'm an Artillery Officer, I spent 2 years as a Fire Support Officer in a heavy lift aviation unit that flew this airframe.
A couple of things:
Although certainly in not this extreme of condition, Chinook pilots practice this type of thing all the time.
The hard part is getting the wheels down and stable. Once the pilot has them down, he just has to keep the front level (and make sure he doesn't slip forwards or backwards. Forwards=bad. Backwards=really bad)
Chinooks do have an Automated Flight Control System (AFCS) that helps reduce pilot workload and helps stabilize the aircraft during hover. But it's more designed to keep the aircraft stable at a fixed distance above more level ground (for example during a sling-load), so I'm not sure the pilot would trust it in this case. Tough to tell.
Special Operations teams generally have dedicated aircraft/pilots who are pretty experienced, more than likely at least several hundred hrs o |
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 splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2810 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:42:33 AM
By the way, if you've never seen the hilarious sight of a bunch of grunts pushing a helicopter because the crew chief decided it would be funny to tell them the bird had to be "push started"... you haven't lived. |
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splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2810 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 5:39:19 AM
The only thing inhuman is having to sit in those seats. They are uncomfortable to say the least and when you have all your gear on and packed in like sardines for a long ride... it sux!
I hate flying on helos though because, unlike fixed wing aircraft, if they get hhit or malfunction and start to go down... there are much fewer options, plus in a spin the centrifugal force keeps you pinned in even if you wanted to jump... I hate the thought. |
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 tuapui
Male, 18-29, Asia
90 Posts
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Thursday, December 16, 2010 1:02:31 AM
zomg the rotor blades.
but i could so do this in battlefield 2. pssh. |
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 Intaresting
Male, 18-29, Europe
812 Posts
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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 11:30:49 PM
Warranty void if seal is broken... I wouldn't want to come 50 feet near those spinning blades. Especially when doing this requires inhuman skills. |
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Fartman51
Male, 13-17, Western US
66 Posts
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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 9:31:56 PM
Are you kidding me? This isn't hard! It's damn near impossible!
I'm a student pilot (yeah, with a Cessna) who has just barely solo'd, but I've seen helicopter pilots training, and most of them can barely hover. I've even tried it, and that nearly ended very badly. But this pilot here managed to rest the back of the helicopter on an easily 45 degree slope, have about 2 feet of clearance on the prop, and sat there for over about 40 seconds as solid as a rock. This is hella hard, and that is a damn fine pilot |
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 Agent00Smith
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
1144 Posts
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Wednesday, December 15, 2010 8:14:55 PM
If we as human beings spent as much time and energy on improving ourselves as we did on killing each other and other such military stuff... |
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