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Crazy Fat White Guy Shoots Up A School Board

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aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:27:06 PM
"As for laughing at our militia as disorganized and forgotten as it is". From the comments I read on here about how important it is to carry a gun for personal safety, it seems you barely have a society, never mind a militia. If you're serious about a militia, as I said earlier, the Swiss have it sorted. Except they have one of the highest gun related suicide rates in the world. Ce la vie..

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:21:49 PM
"...show you that there are tons of Americans like me who are responsible and intelligent shooters" I have no doubt that there are. But all we see from over here is a country obsessed with guns who has one of the highest number of gun related crimes, murders and suicides and it seems obvious to us that there is a link. Especially when some of the comments thrown around when these discussions come up make your country seem one step away from the wild west. I just don't understand living somewhere where I felt that carrying a gun was as essential as you seem to suggest.

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:14:59 PM
@auburnjunky: "Do you honestly think, that if we had never participated in WWII, England would have been able to hold off the Germans forever?" Yes, read your history. Hitler trying to take over Russia is what saved mainland Europe. Britain had already dominated the air and the seas with superior national air defense and the more powerful Navy. The US came in useful later on in the war The Americans came in useful, rather late in the war (along with the Commonwealth and considerable other allied armies) by ensuring that western mainland Europe did not fall to the communists.
We then saved your asses by letting you secure your export markets, while we paid for the greatest cost of 6 years of war.
A case of Britain subsidising America in securing future US trade.
Remember, Britain declared war on Germany in the spirit of safeguarding democracy in Europe. America had no interest in safeguarding democracy and only entered the war in order to defend ITSELF against Axis

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 10:57:30 AM
As for laughing at our militia as disorganized and forgotten as it is; remember that the only other time it was laughed at was by the likes of Cornwallis and Howe, and laughing didn't stop them from getting stomped.

Granted, I would move to say Howe did the best job of helping the fledgling US win, and Clinton helped a good bit as his successor. Had they just given Cornwallis command from the beginning, I might be drinking tea right now, militia or no militia.

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 10:46:32 AM
Aik, that is something that I could get behind. I even like the old Starship Troopers model of to be a citizen you have to have served, and those who don't can enjoy the benefits but not control the outcome. I do believe that if you take the responsibility of owning a gun then you need to own the responsibility of using it safely and properly.

I'm not trying to change your mind, but show you that there are tons of Americans like me who are responsible and intelligent shooters. Just because we have guns doesn't make us uncivilized. Of those 200 million guns in country, I would say most of us do a pretty good job keeping them holstered.

And though I agree with you, compulsory service would not fit within the constitution. Having a standing army was something we struggled with from our inception to WWII. We were born from a piece of paper. There is an incredible conversation between Washington and the French about this very subject, I wish I could find it.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10041 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 9:32:37 AM
@aikiman:

Well whether or not it made you laugh is irrelevant. Fact of the matter is, we were funneling volunteer troops, weapons, and supplies to England.

Do you honestly think, that if we had never participated in WWII, England would have been able to hold off the Germans forever?

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 8:25:01 AM
@auburnjunky: 'Britain would have gotten their asses kicked without our help' Now that made me laugh more than the militia comment

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 8:23:10 AM
@T-Marley: "And again Aik, it was not I who was equating a gun with respect" - Fair enough, I apologise, I got you two mixed up.

Instead of going over fresh arguments that neither of us are going to back down on. If banning handguns or increasing the cost of ammo doesn't work, how about following the Swiss model and having compulsary national service and continued training to ensure that everyone who has a gun is fully trained in its use and they are a true national defence force.
I too enjoy shooting, I shoot regularly on a friends farm on the moors in a very straighlaced, highly regulated British type of way...

PierreJeanFR
Male, 40-49, Europe
 1337 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 8:10:36 AM
auburnjunkie you are an arsehole, you should wipe that crap around you that bullpooting mouth of yours.
Aikiman one day they will come around their senses and control their immature gun laws.They are still young.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13285 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 6:31:55 AM
vv Thanks T-Marley that what I ment just wasn't too clear. The U.S.A. and British have never agreed on this it's a big part of what created this country they said "We're taking your guns" and we said "Hmmmm no"

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 5:30:22 AM
Furthermore I don't think you are quite understanding what McGovern was saying. He was saying that back in the day your words and actions had consequences. Run your mouth long enough and someone would challenge you to a duel (Not an American invention by the way.)

It was a time when people actually had honor, and before a duel was with a gun, it was with a sword, before that a rock. It was not about the weapon giving your more respect, but your honor making you answer for your words. You could deny a duel then just as easily as accept it, but it would impinge upon your honor.

Fresh in the news today...

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 4:21:24 AM
And again Aik, it was not I who was equating a gun with respect. That was McGovern. I don't respect anyone more or less because they have a gun, but how they use one may have an effect. As might their opinions or ignorant condescension

I enjoy shooting immensely, something you probably can not understand. I don't feel that it keeps me safe, as I have never used it and yet am still relatively safe. I don't have a sign that says "I have a gun" so how is it going to keep me any less likely involved in criminal activity? I do feel that it is a deterrent, and that it will help ensure my safety should the need arise. So does my knife, so do my fists, and so does my wit. I also feel that any weapon is an extension of political force, and that the threat of rebellion from an armed populace is an integral part of my nation which again I say is something we have forgotten. In my eyes, it is part of our duty as citizens.

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 4:08:33 AM
Tell it to this woman Aik...it doesn't have to be this way...but it is.

"It doesn't have to be this way"

No, it doesn't. We don't have to have corruption, or murder, or rape, or any bad things. But sometimes the bad thing have something else in mind.

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:55:47 AM
@T-Marley: So what is it then? Do you want to own a gun because you like it, which is fair enough. Or do you want to own a gun because you feel it keeps you safe? All lof your posts up until the last one talked about gun=respect, gun=safe, gun=deterant.
My whole argument is that you feel you need a gun because others own guns and they may use it against you. It's a perpetual escalation.

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 3:43:15 AM
"Why are you even commenting?" - I was bored

"Also, why are you giving the United States poo?" - I'm not, you have a wonderful country with wonderful people. I'm trying to make the point that you don't have to own a gun, be afraid of someone pulling a gun on you, be concerned that anyone you p*ss off may try to shoot you. It doesn't have to be that way.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10041 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 12:32:00 AM
Reply: (1000 chars max. Current:980 )

1000 chars max?

I call shenanigans.

....CONTINENT from being conquered.

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 12:29:19 AM
You know Aik, I'm not sure who put your panties in a twist, but notice that in my comments I'm not belittling you? Strange how you treat those who disagree with you.

Bottom line is that I don't fear being shot any more than you do. We here in America like our guns, as is obvious by the failing of any attempts to take our guns away from us. We also respect those who don't like guns by not forcing them to buy them.

Speaking of respect being earned, you have earned none, so I'm pretty much through with this. I'm glad Europe is so faultless and perfect to you, stay there.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10041 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 12:29:04 AM
@aikiman:

Why are you even commenting? What country in Europe do you live in?

I ask that because I can either say "Fine, whatever.", or I can blast your ass for judging us for having the right to bear arms, when your country is a socialist piece of poo that doesn't give you that freedom.

Also, why are you giving the United States poo? Unless you are from Germany, and a Nazi, you should be THANKING us. We saved your non war winning asses! Britain would have gotten their asses kicked without our help, and the Soviets were ALLIES with Germany until they were attacked by the Nazis. If we hadn't intervened, Germany would have never attacked the USSR. They would have just said "We will take the rest of Europe, thanks." We did it. We saved your grandparents from either a)speaking German or b)the gas chamber.

Our right to bear arms, and the rest of our constitution, gave us the ability (indirectly) to travel over an ocean, and save a CONT

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Friday, December 17, 2010 12:24:19 AM
Buddy show me where I implied the only way someone has my respect is if they are carrying a weapon?

I respect anyone until they give me reason not to, because I judge a person on his merit, not because he might shoot me...I don't fear those who might shoot me either.

We aren't talking about just being alert from being shot, being alert in general helps keep one alive. You may not be as likely to be shot, but you still have risks of mugging and other criminal activity, a bus that swerves to miss a car, and any other thing in this world that could happen.

No one is desperate either, the truth is that there is too much ammo and weaponry in this country to ever ban it effectively.

As far as a militia being funny to you...I'm glad you can get some enjoyment out of it, but in any military action we have been in the prospect of invading us has been made even more unpleasant by how we are "gun nuts".

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:51:25 PM
@T-Marley: I didn't realise you were all that desparate, I'd ban handguns immediately then.

'people were polite because if they didn't consider the consequences of their actions they might get shot' You're seriously saying that if you didn't have guns, your country would descend into anarchy? What a strange place you live.
"No one needs to fear me" Not you, you implied that the only reason you 'respect' people is because they may be packing. That's fear not respect.
"But only a fool is not" or someone who doesn't live in a gun culture. Guess what, most of the rest of the world don't give it a second thought because being shot is as unlikely a scenario as being struck by lightning.
"Being the most armed militia in the world is a huge deterrent to any sort of military invasion of the US. We have always been citizen soldiers." Now that is the funniest thing I've heard all week!

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 13836 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 11:36:49 PM
i'm a liberal, and i feel that owning a gun is one of the last true and important freedoms in the US.

Then why are you siding with people who want nothing more that to take that freedom away from you?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10041 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:59:10 PM
Thanks smilinsam, the libertarian.

SmilinSam
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 3603 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:48:22 PM
"The only people who are against gun ownership, are liberals, and people who have never had true freedom."
umm... i'm a liberal, and i feel that owning a gun is one of the last true and important freedoms in the US.

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:41:26 PM
@auburnjunkie: Really? Can you name any Liberals against the 14th? Sorry, Skippy, but when cons like Old Ollie try to accuse Libs as being the only ones who don't respect the Constitution, they take a flying leap into the dung heap. Hope he's not a buddy of yours, because, well, he's an idiot.

thisismary
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 100 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 4:49:32 PM
Mr. Husfelt was my high school principal before he was elected to the school board. I can't imagine what any of the other candidates who were running for superintendent at the time would have done in this situation, but someone other than the gunman probably would have ended up dead.

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