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Subsidize Solar

Hits: 16188 | Rating: (3.0) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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Spider_sol
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1454 Posts
Tuesday, November 30, 2010 7:14:29 PM
Wait, they give degrees in "science" now?

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12082 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 11:28:51 PM
Take your elitist attitude and shove it, Mr. Knowitall.

As I've already stated, I have a PhD. So it's "Dr. Knowitall".

See what I did there?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17292 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 5:50:44 PM
davymid: not only have you not even read the material, you don't even know the correct spelling of the authority's name.


Derive all from me misspelling Rubbia's name did you ?

Davy, I Posted the damn subject months ago here on IAB. I can assure you I've read several articles and Rubbia's own .pdf file on the Thorium Fuel Cycle. I didn't get a college degree in science by not knowing atomic physics.

Once again you've assumed to know everything about someone based on bullsh|t.

Take your elitist attitude and shove it, Mr. Knowitall.

kilroy5555
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 503 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 2:12:28 PM
We're going to run out of coal in 20 years?! Give me a break!

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12082 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 1:34:59 PM
I however am not going to go grammer-nazi on Angilion for misspelling the word theorizing.

In short, Go blow it out your ass Davy.


As Angilion has already pointed out, he's English, so he's using English English. Only in American English is it spelt "theorizing".

Yes, spelt.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12082 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 1:31:50 PM
Anyway, I'd hardly call it a cheap shot or being pedantic. As stated previously, you're employing the logical fallacy Argument from Authority while clearly not having any understanding of the science behind the subject in question. To such an extreme in fact, that not only have you not even read the material, you don't even know the correct spelling of the authority's name. Like I said, I'd discredit someone in the very same way if they were to describe how they've come to the conclusion that evolution is a lie having read through the works of Richard Dawking. That is very different from pointing out a simple type.

Heck, I'm a professional scientist with a PhD, and even I said I wouldn't opine on the subject at hand as I don't have the scientific knowledge in this area to make an intelligent contribution. Seems to me like Angilion does, though.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12082 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 1:31:39 PM
davymid: So sue me, I misspelled his name. Interesting how you congratulate Angilion for not stooping to 'Cheap Shots', But are willing to stoop that low yourself.

Yep, I even said that's exactly what I intended to do, right before I did it.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 10:12:41 AM
Nuclear is the way to go. It creates much more power for practically nothing. Also, we can just drop the waste off in space on those fancy new shuttles we will have in about 20 years.


You are joking, right?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 10:09:36 AM
I however am not going to go grammer-nazi on Angilion for misspelling the word theorizing.


i) People who prefer to be roughly correct in their use of language are not Nazis.

Where did this "moderate position is Nazism" crap come from? Some raving idiot, obviously.

ii) When making a spelling flame, don't call it a grammar flame. That just makes you look ignorant.

iii) While we're at it, don't spell 'grammar' incorrectly while you're doing it.

iv) 'theorising' is the correct spelling in English. It might not be in American English, but I'm not using American English.

You crashed and burned bigtime on this one.

Ryan22158
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 422 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 6:54:42 AM
In about three years i should be laughing at all of this while I sit at the console of a nuclear reactor. Americans are pretty stupid because we keep supporting coal, and pretend that it is the only energy source we have. Nuclear is the way to go. It creates much more power for practically nothing. Also, we can just drop the waste off in space on those fancy new shuttles we will have in about 20 years.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 5:03:21 AM
As an environmentalist my money is on nuclear. Its doable now, doesn't take up much room, and as a side benefit - a few small nuclear skirmishes could do wonders for the real problem - overpopulation.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 4:40:24 AM
" however am not going to go grammer-nazi on Angilion for misspelling the word theorizing."

You know we freely interchange between -ize and -ise on this side of the pond, right?

Ok just checking...


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17292 Posts
Monday, November 29, 2010 12:49:21 AM
davymid: So sue me, I misspelled his name. Interesting how you congratulate Angilion for not stooping to 'Cheap Shots', But are willing to stoop that low yourself.

It's just like a liberal to nitpick someone to attempt to discredit them.

I however am not going to go grammer-nazi on Angilion for misspelling the word theorizing.

In short, Go blow it out your ass Davy.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:50:41 PM
The primary issue with solar power are basic diminishing returns of manufacturing and large scale inefficiencies and remember while the light is free the components and repair are not.


True of PV, not so true of CSP. CSP also has the side benefit of producing very large quantities of very pure drinking water from seawater. Since CSP works best in deserts, countries with deserts close to a sea are very interested. Hundreds of millions of litres of drinking water is very handy in those places, maybe as much as the income from exporting electricity.

Accelerator based sub critical fission is extremely viable as it burns through waste and produces no dangerous waste while requiring no refinement.


Lovely idea, but it's not actually true.

You do end up with less highly radioactive waste, but not none, and it does require some refinement.

It's better than current fission, but it's not perfect.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:40:37 PM
[quote">Nevertheless, the thread is supposed to be about using solar to replace coal for electric power generation, and there's no way in hell it's ever going to do that in our lifetimes.[/quote">

It could partially do so, if it's done right and the scale is large enough.

One of the most ambitious projects is Desertec. It's entirely solar power and they're looking at supplying 20% of all electricity to Europe, the UK, the Middle East and north Africa. This isn't small-scale.

It sounds pie in the sky, but they have backing all over the place, work has started on the foundations of it and the EU is seriously talking about finding the money for it. At the other end, countries in north Africa are laying groundwork and making politic agreements. All the technology for it already exists. It's doable.

Desertec

BigMordecai
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 94 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:21:34 PM
Also for reference I am in support of both Thorium reactors generally and the ADS.

BigMordecai
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 94 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:14:58 PM
Impressive arguments, but what this comes down to economics. The primary issue with solar power are basic diminishing returns of manufacturing and large scale inefficiencies and remember while the light is free the components and repair are not. These sources are currently known not to be viable on a large scale and I would gamble many parts were simply disregarded in the calculations of statistics. I agree it will dominate but when dealing with Thorium, countries like India and other developing nations will rely on it with low waste. Accelerator based sub critical fission is extremely viable as it burns through waste and produces no dangerous waste while requiring no refinement. This is a future technology which using economic differential equations has been shown to be large scale viable. These resources comparatively are extremely cheap with few negative externalities if any. People have to remember that these functions are based on diff eq. not simple functions.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12082 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 11:01:44 PM
And that blow is: Crakrjak, how can you even pretend that you know what you're talking about when you can't even spell correctly the name of the scientist you quote? I doubt you have any understanding of the scientific principles you espouse beyond what you read on Conservative web-blogs.

I could easily suggest myself as an expert on how evolution is false (as you do) by disseminating the works of Richard Dawkings or Charles Darwing. I could even posit the existence of God and question that the universe is billions of years old (as you do) by criticizing the scientific papers of Stephen Hawkins.

But understand, to anyone reading your posts, they may think along these lines: "If this guy can't even spell the name of scientist he's quoting, then he probably doesn't understand, or for that matter even read the article, of the science behind it."

Just saying.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12082 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:48:18 PM
Not getting into the debate as I don't know enough about the subject - despite working in the energy industry (Hydrocarbon Exploration Geoscientist, I draw Xs on maps and show them where to drill), I know pitifully little about solar energy. Shame on me, I freely admit.

However, I find it entertaining that Crakrjak, who made the original logical fallacy of Appeal to Authority, can't even spell the name of the scientist in question correctly.

Crakr, you keep calling him Rubio. That's not his name. Angilion on the other hand, correctly spells his name Rubbia, on multiple posts, which you haven't picked up on. I'd also like to quietly congratulate Angilion on not stooping to cheap shots on how you've mis-spelled his name again and again.

I'll happily deliver the low blow in Angilion's place, as he is discussing a higher-level argument, and has been admirably magnanimous in sticking to the topic rather than stooping to the temptation of Grammar-Nazism.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14740 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 10:25:08 PM
Angi, I'm just in a crappy sarcastic mood right now. Actually, I like PV solar for some applications. For instance, those school zone speed limit signs that say "SPEED LIMIT 20 WHEN FLASHING." They use LEDs and only operate for a couple of hours a day. It's much cheaper to put up a PV panel than it is to put up poles or dig trenches to run electric lines to them.

Nevertheless, the thread is supposed to be about using solar to replace coal for electric power generation, and there's no way in hell it's ever going to do that in our lifetimes.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:34:53 PM
Thorium fuel reactors are too good to be true... Just google it and see it for yourself.


Yeah, just search online for it.

You'll find references to thorium nuclear reactors *that have already been built and used*.

Most the references in this thread are to the energy amplifier thorium reactor idea from Carlo Rubbia, which doesn't yet exist. However, his theorising is sound, his experiments to prove the concept work and he's being backed with huge sums of money by people who aren't idiots and they obviously think it will work.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:15:50 PM
Angilion, I checked out your "How to make a solar charger" link, and that was quite impressive. I figure that on a nice bright sunny day, that rig could generate enough energy to run my home air conditioner for almost 25 seconds!


That would be a great counter-argument if anyone was advocating using it to power your air conditioning.

But they weren't, were they?

It does the job it was intended for, it does it for free and it costs maybe $15 to make. It's fit for the purpose it was intended for.

He also powers his home lighting, minor power tools, TV, games console, etc, from PV solar.

It's of some use in some circumstances.

You might not have noticed, but I've been consistently arguing that PV solar, especially domestic PV solar is nowhere near good enough to replace a proper power system. Have you got me mixed up with someone else again?

ROK9
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1838 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 9:05:14 PM
nice. give me free energy please

Heilsquav
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:41:09 PM
Thorium fuel reactors are too good to be true... Just google it and see it for yourself.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14740 Posts
Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:21:07 PM
Angilion, I checked out your "How to make a solar charger" link, and that was quite impressive. I figure that on a nice bright sunny day, that rig could generate enough energy to run my home air conditioner for almost 25 seconds!

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