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Richard Dawkins Demonstrates Laryngeal Nerve

Hits: 17109 | Rating: (3.3) | Category: Science | Added by: Gerry1of1
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8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Thursday, December 16, 2010 7:29:54 AM
Very interesting :)

walkrunfly
Male, 18-29, Canada
 117 Posts
Thursday, December 09, 2010 1:25:16 AM
When people stop looking at facts, they reject reality. There's so much evidence for evolution, any more will make little difference.

This whole deal saddens me, how centuries later we're still dealing with arguments similar to Galileo and the heliocentric theory....

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 877 Posts
Monday, November 08, 2010 12:53:03 PM
i don't understand why the burden of proof has been put on non theists

Because an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof. The extraordinary claim of evolution has mountains of proof that has far exceeded the threshold of extraordinary decades ago. Now its time for religion to pony up.

If you want me to believe something(and tithe 10% of my income, obey a bunch of arbitrary rules, and get on my knees and thank you for the opportunity to do so), you should really have a good reason

How do you feel? Good? Healthy? Prosperous? Guess what? Science gave that to you. 30-39, you are past the average lifespan of those who were devoid of science. The results of science have clothed you, fed you, housed you, employed you, entertained you, made you healthy and long lived. But all you do is look for the arrogance in proofs and blindly give allegiance to your team as if this were a game.

chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 683 Posts
Monday, November 08, 2010 7:36:26 AM
Interesting, but this is a perfect example of why I can not call myself an atheist. It is very arrogant to assume that there is not a reason for the nerve to be so close to the heart, and even more arrogant to present it as proof of anything but an example of our lack of understanding of the world at large,It may very well be that our bodies use this as a "timing chain" for vocalization. Religion does this all the time, but science, if it wants to be taken seriously, should hold itself to a higher standard.Also, i don't understand why the burden of proof has been put on non theists. If you want me to believe something(and tithe 10% of my income, obey a bunch of arbitrary rules, and get on my knees and thank you for the opportunity to do so), you should really have a good reason.

ROK9
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1838 Posts
Sunday, November 07, 2010 10:28:34 PM
lame

skyblue_15
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 207 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 6:22:38 PM
Mom there's a dead giraffe on the table...

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 3:43:39 PM
I thought Musoko made his point quite eloquently, which is more than I can say for Trelina. Yousaywhat?

trelina
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 248 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 1:53:58 PM
@musuko

and why can't an auto mechanic have special insight into research and development. and why can't someone who is a practicing vet know about evolutionary theory. before there was research and before the theory of evolution there weren't any experts on it. your argument makes no sense.

vorpalsword
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1429 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 9:31:22 AM
oh lord I hope Opie doesn't see this

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 877 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 8:54:53 AM
Oh, please explain my favorite. Why were Rabbits "designed" in such a way that they are required to eat their own cecal (poop) pellets? I love watching ID'ers explain that one.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 5:55:16 AM
C'mon then handys003 give us the beneift of your expertise in animal design.

Explain some of the other legacy structures in organisms. Our appendix. A Kiwi's vestigial wings. A whales pelvic girdle.

You like your fishies - what about the fact that artificial selection as a driver has been backed up by controlled experiments withguppies

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 4:40:39 AM
@handys003

"It only alienates from others who are religious only get more angrier."

I don't know about you, but it seems to me that the religious tend to get angry all by themselves, without Dawkins around.

"I explained why the nerve is long by it's purpose intended developed through years of evolution."

This sentence clearly indicates that you haven't quite grasped the concept of evolution, if you truly believe that there is an "intended purpose" involved in the process.

I can see why someone like you might think Dawkins is a cult leader, when you claim to believe in something without first understanding it. You probably believe that because you do it, everyone else does the same as you, and that we all "follow" Dawkins without understanding what he's saying. I assure you, that this is not the case.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 4:31:40 AM
@handys003

A man educated in veterinary medicine trying to claim special insight into evolutionary theory is like a skilled auto mechanic trying to claim special insight into automotive research and development.

I'm not saying you don't know your stuff, but your professional field does not automatically make you the expert over us. If you say something that's wrong, it's still wrong, regardless of what pedestal you're standing on.

Something that, incidentally, applies to Dawkins. If he said the moon was made of apples, we would not believe him.

If the bible said the moon was made of apples, however, I wonder how many people would believe it.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 4:26:34 AM
"Well, I'm glad they killed that giraffe to prove it. I wouldn't have believed it otherwise."

They didn't. Why would you assume that?

I watched this programme in full when it first aired on television. They made very clear that the animal died of natural causes.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 4:19:39 AM
To all the other Dawkins cultists. Just stop. It's apparent your just as obsessed as Christians with Creationism and ID proponents. I explained why the nerve is long by it's purpose intended developed through years of evolution. Dawkins wants to end the nerve at the larynx. What he fails to tell you why it is developed long through evolution in order to support a false assertion toward his supposition. The nerve was developed that way (long) for it's adaptation for todays environment. Who knows 2000 years from now a natural selection will occur and some part of the giraffe's anatomy may change to fit that times environment. Until then it's made long. It has nothing to do with imperfection. The nerve has a necessary function. Read the other thread back a few pages if your lost on it's use. I'm done answering every question from every person from around the world who has an objection. This could go on forever as handys003 rule #2 applies. "There will always be in need of opposition&

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 3:45:37 AM
@CallofKtulu

LOL! Caught me cheating huh? I was trying to fit everything under the 1000 character limit instead of going to create another page.

CallofKtulu
Male, 18-29, Western US
 246 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 2:40:39 AM
"He is viewed as evil; will only be met with closed ears; instead of open ones."

Woah woah woah hold it right there. I have a PhD in Semicolonology and that is *not* how you use a semicolon. And I dare you to find someone with a degree in semicolonology to make a rebuttle.

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Friday, November 05, 2010 1:02:27 AM
@handys003: As far as I can see, Bob simply challenged your assertion with a reasonable argument that a short nerve located in the skull was less likely to tear and instead of replying with a reasoned argument why he was wrong based on your expertise, you replied with indignation that he dared to challenge you, the expert. If you are such an expert, then it should be very easy for you to debunk our rediculous theories rather than holding your expertise up as some kind of idol we should all be bowing to.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:43:12 PM
@davymid

Yes I can be one at times. However I'm not challenging on their knowledge of evolution. I'm challenging those who tell me I do not know what I'm talking about on the physiology of giraffes. If I commented on you being stupid on geology would you not be a dick too?

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:38:07 PM
@GolfPunk69

Oh I see where your referring now. The phrase is in reference toward being a martyr for the sins of others.

In other words. Everyone seems to take him as the Messiah on Evolution. Dawkins seems bent on proving all opposition wrong to the point of leaving out minute, but necessary information to prove his point. He's taking the Cross on his shoulders for the Evolutionist himself. Maybe that is what he wants? IDK?

He doesn't have to do it all himself. His cynicism doesn't help either. It only alienates from others who are religious only get more angrier. It harms your stance with that kind of attitude. He is viewed as evil; will only be met with closed ears; instead of open ones. He doesn't come off sincere, and with a chip on his shoulder. He's a great scientist, but other than expressing his knowledge in easier terms. He does not well at relating to those who come in with a gun so to speak. Aimed at him. He needs to learn how to disarm with char

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12128 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:28:22 PM
handys003, with all due respect, you're being a bit of a dick. Challenging others to espouse on your particular specific branch of scientific endeavour, whatever that may be, and cheapifying their opinion by your scientific standards, is a bit weak.

I have a PhD in geoscience. Yet I don't demand that people study my particular branch of science to qualify to be in a position to make comment on it.

I could just as easily demand (and by extension, be an asshat) that no-one is allowed to comment on evolution unless they had studied palaeontology.

Who are you to claim that no-one is qualified to comment on evolution unless they've studied your particular flavour of anatomy/physiology?

GolfPunk69
Male, 30-39, Australia
 58 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 10:08:38 PM
Which bit of "I don't profess to <know> everything about biology, but I am keen to learn" are you struggling with? It's pretty obvious that I've looked up a few of the words and mashed together a rough approximation of a meaning.

So I'm asking for enlightenment. How does the sentence you've posted have anything to do with the evolutionary relic that is the path of the Laryngeal Nerve?

and

"For crying out loud just crucify him..." - Handys003.

I hope you enjoyed your fishing / diving.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:58:39 PM
@GolfPunk69
values. Then giving me for tiger sharks and Bull sharks while your at it. Maybe you can come over here for some marine biology research on such and direct us on how to do it.

Third - precisely the point you said "trolled". In other words hate filled supposition with no fact for basis. Thank You for backing my points.

handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:54:27 PM
@golfPunk69

Geez brah who said anything about killing Dawkins. It's about leading with deception and you hanging on to every word as gospel. Are you religious then?

Second - the question was directed at almightybob for me to ascertain his knowledge on the physiology of the giraffe that all you amateur experts claim to know. Since almightybob1 answered honestly that his knowledge is toward Electrical Engineering I cut some slack and gave more detail on the giraffe physiology.

However since you like to pretend you know the terminology in plain English. Also your great knowledge of the anatomy and physiology of the giraffe with several years of research. Please cut the hyperbole and show me your knowledge of veterinary medicine. Answer the question. Doing so will tell me you know what your talking about.

Tell me the mean prothombin time and a mean activated thromboplastin time of a male during a manual restraint and jugular venipuncture for hemoglobin

hypno1
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 69 Posts
Thursday, November 04, 2010 8:40:17 PM
Boomersooner

I agree with your statement that it doesn't do any good to tell someone that they are wrong, especially if it challenges a tenet of faith.

That being said, I will take empirical evidence over anecdotes every time. Does the evidence answer all the questions? Absolutely not. But the gap between truth and supposition is narrowing all the time. It just aggravates me sometimes that the only argument for ID is "prove that it isn't". It's a null argument without any logical or intellectual rigor.

BTW, I graduated from OU with a degree in Zoology. :)

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