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 LastJuggalo
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 214 Posts
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Wednesday, November 03, 2010 10:59:50 AM
Politics suck. Everybody just shut the eff up and get along. |
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 NinjaB0b
Male, 18-29, Western US
173 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:08:52 PM
i hate this discussion |
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 5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17464 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:48:45 PM
The last true filibuster was 13years ago. Now all they do is threaten.
Dead Ghod @madest, you have no brainz at ALL?
The Reps can "threaten" to filibuster till the cows come home, but THEY CANNOT DO IT because they don't have the votes unless some democrats cross the floor!
And YOU lecture others about knowing the subject? And FAIL so spectacularly on such a simple concept? Wow, madest, that is just so... liberal of you!
But in a few hours the house and senate will be changed for the better! LOLZ! |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17464 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 5:43:49 PM
@Kougaiji - those compromises you mention were made to get DEMOCRATS to vote for the cursed bill! If by chance it resembled what Reps wanted? Just coincidance, eh?
Oh, just ignore the FACTS CJ brings up, you're good at doing that eh? |
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 SephirothA83
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
950 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:14:01 PM
@Kougaiji
Don't get roped into arguing with them though. It's the definition of insanity, clear as day: 'Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.' |
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
606 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 11:36:19 AM
I'll take the word of those two articles I posted, and my own knowledge of actually following the healthcare debate and seeing everything I liked about the bill be compromised away, over a random 5Cats comment ignoring all factuality. |
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17464 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 10:56:29 AM
I rest my very sad case.
Oh davymid? YOU know of a single case of compromise in which Obama, Reid or Pelosi did ANYTHING to appease the Reps? Do tell, or you're the one looking 'sad' eh?
Remember, just last week Obama himself said the Reps haven't supported him or his policies. Could it be because there is ZERO compromise in them? NAH!
@Kougaiji - the Health Care Bill? You are delusional! The Reps made 6 amendments, ALL rejected outright. One, ONE, part of the bill was put in by the Republicans on the board, but it was removed before it even went to the house.
Zero input, zero compromise, behind-closed-doors, back room deals, and best of all: NO ONE COULD READ THE BILL until AFTER it was passed.
Do try again, eh? |
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 Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
9510 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:31:33 AM
Do any of you feel the same?
All things in moderation splurby
Some days I don't post on to IAB unless there is good point I can make (or just a very witty comment). The other days I'm on XBox Live. |
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 splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2810 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 9:00:35 AM
Thanks for the response Seph and Kou. I like the "show of humanity" phrase, that really put's it all into better terms.
People are frustrated out there, myself included. There are way too many media juggernauts out there that have way too much power. Not only intrinsic power, but power over the thought process of every viewer in some way. This is due partly to each citizens close emmotional ties with their own way of life and how the Government affects that. (And rightly so)
I really wish we could all sort of calm the hell down and rethink all this nonsense. It all seems to be coming from all sides and tends to spiral out of control. It gives me anxiety if I make myself try to wrap my head around all the arguments.
The Founding Fathers locked themselves in a room until they all agreed. I know it was a little easier back then because the scope was not as huge. Too bad we cannot do that now. |
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
606 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:40:46 AM
The rally did not have a liberal/democrat message, but mass media painted it in such a way that it did. But it addressed everything that bothered me. Everyone's yelling pundit talking points at each other without realizing the lack of consistency between them. No one considers that the wellbeing of ones community may actually be beneficial to one's own wellbeing.
Something as simple as recycling shouldn't be controversial. Global warming or no, throwing a bunch of pollutants in the air is causing disease and killing living things and destroying the ozone. Lives are lives and murder is murder, and people seem to no longer value life. People who don't understand the realities and repercussions of prison continue to seal up a vast amount of their neighbors because of laughable reasons. Everyone's an "expert" on tv; no intelligent, investigative reports are ever done on things that may affect society or challenge convention. The rally was a refreshing show of humanity i |
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
606 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:31:25 AM
splurbyburbl
I used to do that a lot more often. Most of my political talks now are about concepts, speaking of strengths of ideologies and political and economic theory; in addition to what would consist an ideal society that we could make for ourselves, even if on a small scale within a larger society like the US.
I stopped really getting riled up around '05-'06, but obviously not entirely as I just partly partook in this. That being said, I've seen more and more sheer ignorance to reality all around me. Maybe it's just the media's portrayal of the public. "Democrats" piss me off just as much as "Republicans" because their viewpoints are almost always entirely defined by the stance of their choice of mass media. It has become absolutely impossible to reach across the aisle on anything. People throw "socialist" and "progressive" around like they're the same thing, as if they understand either. Like McCarthyism, speaking out sti |
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SephirothA83
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
950 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 8:14:50 AM
@splurbyburbl
I feel the same way as you do. I'm a registered Independent but more often than not when I'm reading through here I feel leaning more to the left than in the middle.
Mostly its because of the righties that are commenting here are those close minded drat tards that believe any of the poo shoveling faux news throws at them instead of actually researching the facts.
I gave up quite a bit ago on arguing and just choose to flame whomever shoves their foot in their mouth, it usually ends up being CJ('Muslims are terroists') or 5cats. I'm not sure why they all continuing 'debating' with the brick wall. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6411 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:32:33 AM
There were no filibusters
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Wow your ignorance is astounding. The last true filibuster was 13years ago. Now all they do is threaten. Sheesh, how can you claim to know politics if you don't even know the most simple of procedural maneuvers?
And from your earlier statement lamenting the number of GOP Senators proves you don't even know what a filibuster is for. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:08:21 AM
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splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2810 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 4:11:00 AM
Serious question here: Something that has bugged me over the years is how much politics have stressed me out in the past. I used to really pay attention, debate, try to find proof and get all riled up, just like all of you guys are doing (Baal, Crackr, Madest, etc.)
I slowly realized it made me a much angrier and stressed out person. And then finally I realized it was not making my life better or easier. In fact it was making it a little worse.
So to the question: Do any of you feel the same?
Another Q: What is all this mindless debating accomplishing for you?
I am sincerely curious as to your opinions. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:23:32 AM
Kougaiji: You forgot to mention that the so called 'compromise' bill, Between the House and Senate, was dumped and the House version was rammed through on a procedural vote. That effectively annulled the senate Republican amendments. The bill that was passed was the completely the House version. Nice Try there Kougaiji, But I watch C-Span.
And once again, With only 39 Senate Republicans, There were no filibusters.
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splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
2810 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 3:05:37 AM
"Oh shh we are NOT living in hard times... if you are African child starving on a farm then this is hard times, but every single person who went to that rally ate dinner that night."
Yeah... of course... but whose dinner was the largest? I think we should discuss this... |
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
606 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:59:48 AM
Furthermore, republicans have tripled the yearly filibuster record since the democrats have been in control of congress. |
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
606 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 2:52:37 AM
http://www.slate.com/id/2223023/
http://ow.ly/331cB
um, TARP?
Neither single payer nor public option?
Crakr, sometimes you don't even try to make lies seem truthful. |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14460 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:22:20 AM
Kougaiji: There were no filibusters, Republicans didn't have enough senators to do so. The Democrats were fighting with representatives within their own party. Not even one Republican amendment made it into the Obamacare bill, Not one.
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Kougaiji
Male, 18-29, Southern US
606 Posts
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Tuesday, November 02, 2010 12:06:37 AM
5Cats, see health care bill.
Why? Well Lieberman is pretty much not democrat so it's more like 59. And every single piece of progressive legislation (you know, the stuff that those of us who voted in the 59 democrats would like to see) is opposed by filibuster by the republicans, even though they're in the minority. Pretty much the only things that have passed are bills continuing the war effort indefinitely and expanding copyright and surveillance. You know, the bipartisan stuff that all crooks agree on. |
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zfolwick
Male, 18-29, Western US
22 Posts
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Monday, November 01, 2010 9:58:25 PM
madest: "You don't want to believe? That doesn't surprise me. Republicans have a difficult time beleiving in science."
heheh... |
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zfolwick
Male, 18-29, Western US
22 Posts
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Monday, November 01, 2010 9:54:14 PM
madest: "I'm a content mod Kouaiji. You'll have the right to critisize me when you submit 1 link that goes live."
snap. |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Monday, November 01, 2010 9:46:11 PM
I guess sanity and intelligence isn't a prerequisite for being a member of the human race.
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"HAHAHAHAHAAA! Oh that's teh funneh!!!
Name ONE Kabuki! Go on, give it a try... also, explain WHY they'd conceed anything with a big majority in both houses? At least untill tomorrow... LOLZ!"
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I rest my very sad case.
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5Cats
Male, 40-49, Canada
17464 Posts
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Monday, November 01, 2010 9:35:35 PM
...giving vast concessions to republicans...
HAHAHAHAHAAA! Oh that's teh funneh!!!
Name ONE Kabuki! Go on, give it a try... also, explain WHY they'd conceed anything with a big majority in both houses? At least untill tomorrow... LOLZ! |
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