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The Gays Have A Great Counter Offer [Pic]

Hits: 38405 | Rating: (3.1) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 5:22:49 PM
I don't get it but I like Rainbows

SvampeBob
Male, 18-29, Europe
 3088 Posts
Monday, November 01, 2010 12:15:24 PM
it's stupid that they can't get married, but I don't get why you would voluntary get married, it's a waste of money and a pain in the ass if you want to get divorced...as most people do

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1292 Posts
Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:54:08 AM
Ok lets do as they did for desegregation. We'll have all gay brigades and let them slowly transition into the military.

We'll call them the fairy brigades.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11029 Posts
Saturday, October 30, 2010 5:04:12 PM
Changing it would go against the general interest of the existing force.. Why do that now?


Because it's the right thing to do.

The USA used to have a racially segregated military, right? No doubt there was opposition to desegregation. No doubt people thought it would create unnecessary conflict within the military. So why did they do it?

Besides, the conflict didn't occur in other countries when DADT was repealed. It's by no means certain it would occur in the USA military. Opposition within the military is no indicator - there was majority opposition within the UK military as well. Then it happened and soldiers reacted rationally to the known rather than irrationally to the unknown, so it was a non-issue.

tatripp
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1201 Posts
Saturday, October 30, 2010 8:17:58 AM
stupid and old

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1292 Posts
Saturday, October 30, 2010 12:06:19 AM
Angillion,
There is no way I could ever convince you to change your mind, nor could you change mine. But, you do present good arguments as others have in the past. It is just in my opinion that it would not be in the best interest of our military to change the policy especially now. There is no point in creating unnecessary conflict within the military. And trust me, out of the six different military installations I have been to the general consensus is the same.. For the most part, the current personnel in the military do not want the policy changed. Changing it would go against the general interest of the existing force.. Why do that now?

KPres
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 309 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 10:08:10 PM
Dumb

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11029 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 9:44:08 PM
Also...why would all the changes you talk about be necessary? Repealing DADT doesn't actually change anything apart from removing a policy that weakens the military by depriving it of some good soldiers.

Just replace "Don't ask, don't tell" with "Don't care" and it works out fine.

I don't doubt that there's a lot of opposition to repealing DADT in the USA military. There was in the UK military. Until it happened and they realised it didn't matter.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11029 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 9:33:48 PM
And please don't take me for some a**hole parading around claiming to be in the military.


I didn't. I know only the opinions you write here. For all I know, you could be a soldier, an astronaut, a spy, a truck driver, a schoolgirl, a model...anything.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11029 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 9:31:21 PM
Explain what you mean by saying I have a low opinion of USA soldiers?


Soldiers of other nations handled the repeal of DADT policies without any bother. I think it's having a low opinion of USA soldiers to think they couldn't do the same. Soldiers are of necessity practical. They handle situations. UK soldiers handled this one. Canadian soldiers handled this one. Why couldn't USA soldiers? Are they less disciplined? Are they less able to cope? I don't think so.

What difference does it make, really?

Bob's gay and you don't know. You're not having sex with him.

Bob's gay and you do know. You're not having sex with him.

What's the difference? Where is the relevance in a military context?

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1292 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 9:11:47 PM
@Angillion
Explain what you mean by saying I have a low opinion of USA soldiers? I do have lesser opinions of some, considering my profession in the military but for the most part I share all the same respect for every person serving their country. And please don't take me for some a**hole parading around claiming to be in the military. I usually don't mention it at all but as far as DADT is its hard to explain my opinion about it without claiming myself as military.

@Musuko
Frankly, I'm getting tired of everyone on this website. Your all the same. All liberal, pacifist "hippies" that can really get on my nerves because whenever I express my opinion about a post, as everyone else does, I get flamed like crazy because my opinions are different than most. Yes, I showed my true colors but what do I care? I'm aggressive by nature, thats who I am.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 4:25:40 PM
@Kegomatix

"Go to hell you F*g I'm sure you take the d**k yourself"

And there your true colours shine. Congratulations.

"Its fine the way it is and if it isn't broke why fix it."

Didn't people say the same thing when opposing integration?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11029 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 4:08:40 PM
Kegomatix:

You have a remarkably low opinion of USA soldiers and what they can deal with. Which is rather odd considering that you claim to be one yourself.

You made a good point with the pokeball guy comparison, though you're stupidly and irrationally wrong about choice. Think about it for a second - there were plenty of homosexuals when it carried a death sentence and they were in constant danger. You think they chose that? Really? What the hell for?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11029 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 4:02:40 PM
I love how every single person I've ever seen use the argument of "gay is a choice" is straight... So are they simply just choosing not to be gay, but they would totally be into it?


Many of them bring up the "humanity would die out from lack of children argument", which is predicated on the assumption that homosexuality is so powerfully appealing that pretty much everyone would choose it given a free choice.

Which means that they themselves would choose homosexuality if they were given a free choice and they're assuming that everyone else would.

krazyfreak58
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 269 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 3:04:02 PM
ahhh flame wars. so many people getting mad over something so silly.

megann_exoh
Female, 13-17, Europe
 693 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 12:54:52 PM
who gives a poo if you like men or not! it's outrageous that in this day and age, so much discrimination goes on about something so bloody silly. if you like women and are a man, go and have marry a woman. if you like men and are a man, go and marry a man. EASY. stop getting so uptight about stuff other people chose to do.

elgrappa
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 96 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 12:39:05 PM
re-post?

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1292 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 12:23:55 PM
@Musuko

Go to hell you F*g I'm sure you take the d**k yourself. I wish I could have an a**hole from Europe call me a commie to my face but oh well that is the freedom of the internet I suppose, say whatever you want without having to worry about someone punching you in the mouth.

To answer your question though, nothing needs to be changed about DADT. Why would it be smart to make something worse that is obviously creating enough stir in the military as it is at a time of war? It would worsen tensions within our own force which is stupid. Every EO and sexual harassment policy in the book would have to be rewritten. Housing and gender based quarters would have to be changed... So much change at a time when we don't need any of it. Its fine the way it is and if it isn't broke why fix it.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 11:32:19 AM
"I could care less if gays are serving with me, I just don't want to know about it."

Then be fair: if you don't want to hear about a gay soldier's love life, then would you be happy to have the rule extended so that any straight soldier talking about their love life gets ejected from the military also?

If you think it's easy enough for gay soldiers to keep silent, then it should be easy enough for straight soldiers. Then nobody is talking about their love lives, nobody is made to be uncomfortable, nobody is left out of the comradeship, and everything is fair.

So will you agree? DADT stays, but it applies to EVERY soldier; if you reveal your sexual orientation, gay or straight, you're booted out.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 11:22:50 AM
Keg, even if it WAS a choice (which it isn't), what's so wrong with letting people choose?

Being against freedom to choose who you want to be...that sounds pretty un-American to me.

COMMIE!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2804 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 11:21:27 AM
"I could be gay, but instead I decided to be straight. Therefore, I CHOOSE to be straight."

Prove it. Put a gay male porno on and give yourself an orgasm whilst watching it.

And you're not allowed to think about women while you do it.

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1292 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 11:17:56 AM
@givechase
Of course every person you see use that argument is straight, if gay people started saying it was a choice they would lose one of their best arguments.

@paddy215
I agree, they should legalize gay marriage and get it done with so everyone can move on. I'm never an non-nice individual to them if I see them. I let them do what they do without scrutiny. But I can still decide not to like it.
And I think the biggest reason I'm afraid of it is because of the DADT policy. Everyone outside the military has no idea how badly a majority of us would like to keep it the way it is. I could care less if gays are serving with me, I just don't want to know about it.


paddy215
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1666 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 10:53:07 AM
I can't think of a single good reason why anyone should care either way, just let them get married so they can go and look for something else to whine and moan about.

GiveChase
Female, 18-29, Canada
 532 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 10:44:24 AM
I love how every single person I've ever seen use the argument of "gay is a choice" is straight... So are they simply just choosing not to be gay, but they would totally be into it?

Kegomatix
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1292 Posts
Friday, October 29, 2010 10:30:48 AM
@danthew

The arguments supporting the fact that its not a choice are weak at best.

Why would they choose to do it even if it leads to persecution? Persecution of what? Its not illegal, sure some people give them some trouble but theres a ton of life CHOICES that lead to that.

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