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Texas High School Kicks Cheerleader Off Squad

Hits: 26747 | Rating: (2.4) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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8BitHero
Male, 18-29, Europe
 5426 Posts
Tuesday, December 14, 2010 3:33:37 PM
That's totally out of order.

Pearl_kill
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 30 Posts
Thursday, October 28, 2010 3:37:31 PM
"Bolton ended up getting off without serving any jail time." has their ever been a more true statement?

shorti3rach
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 62 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 4:14:24 PM
well that's drated.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:07:47 PM
they probably thought the moveon.org shim was a guy at first

So what? It would still be assault if it was a guy.

why else whould he/she be wearing a wig in a crowd around politicians unless he/she was doing something dangerous

Some people are bald, you know. They might just be wearing wigs out in public.
Anyway, wearing a wig is not illegal. Assault is.

ForAllThSin
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 275 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 9:48:40 AM
hey bob, they probably thought the moveon.org shim was a guy at first. why else whould he/she be wearing a wig in a crowd around politicians unless he/she was doing something dangerous

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 2:06:57 AM
Doublethink:


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 1:33:36 AM
From this article:

"Sheffield says because the players and the cheerleader are no more than three years apart in age, state law prevents prosecution for sexual assault if the grand jury cannot determine there was lack of consent."

So I guess we know why the prosecution had to accept a plea bargain of assault. Consent would be impossible to prove or disprove when everyone involved was drunk, so they were hamstrung by state law. It would come down to he-said-she-said anyway.

NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1103 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:29:24 AM
(continued..) against her will. Did they rape her? Maybe not, but I bet they did something to sexuall assult her or maybe they got lucky and didn't leave any evidence because they were interupted. I read that Bolton came back to the house and threatened to burn it down if he didn't get clothes he left in the room back. Now that seems interesting to me.

At any rate, the fact that the school knew that she had (at least) been drug into a room against her will by this boy and his friends should have been enough for them to look the other way when she didn't shout his name when he made a touch down. That is just ridiculous.

NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1103 Posts
Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:23:52 AM
@xavroche Where are your sources? I posted mine.

"The thing is, it's easy to critisize the school in hindsight, given that the case was reopened and the young man eventually accepted a plea and admitted assaulting the girl. However, at the time that the school made the decision, the case had been dropped."

Yes, but my point was that he was not taken off the team during the initial investigation or hearings. In my opinion they both should have been banned from extra curriculars during that time, it seems a little negligent to me that they weren't.

"It's also interesting to note that the NAACP questioned the reopening of the case. Why was the case originally dropped and then reopened two years later"

Why is it strange? Do you think that the NAACP is any different than any other special interest organization? I highly doubt that they even knew anymore than we do about what happened. The fact is those students drug her into a room ag

pyrrhios
Male, 30-39, Western US
 185 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 10:53:27 PM
As stated in the article, it sounds horrible. If the timeline proposed by xavoche is correct however, it's a bit more complicated, and I don't have enough information to make conclusions. I think I'm just glad I'm not directly involved in having to sort this one out.

xavroche
Male, 30-39, Europe
 814 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:29:29 PM

The thing is, it's easy to critisize the school in hindsight, given that the case was reopened and the young man eventually accepted a plea and admitted assaulting the girl. However, at the time that the school made the decision, the case had been dropped. The school board isn't there to seek out justice, that's the role of the judicial system, and once a decision to drop the charges was made, I can completely understand the school board readmitting the young man and stopping the girl from continuing to accuse him of assaulting her after a grand jury had decided that there was no evidence to the fact. It seems to me that if failure there was it was solely by the judicial system. If there was assault and rape then the case should have never been dropped in the first place.

It's also interesting to note that the NAACP questioned the reopening of the case. Why was the case originally dropped and then reopened two years later? I'm not saying that there wasn't rape, but clearl

xavroche
Male, 30-39, Europe
 814 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:29:17 PM
As I've mentioned I've done a bit of research on this and the following is the timeline of events as I see it:

a)Assault happens (oct 2008)
b)Teens are arrested and stop attending school while charges are pending (oct 2008)
c)All charges dropped by Grand Jury for lack of evidence (Jan 2009)
d)Since all charges have been dropped, young man returns to school, with no charges pending and having been cleared of any wrong doing.(Jan 2009)
e)Cheerleader refuses to cheer. Notice how at this moment, no charges are pending against young man. Cheerleader is kicked off squad(Winter 2009)
f)Parents file civil suit which is later dropped(May 2009)
e)Young man graduates and leaves school (Spring 2009)
f)Case is reopened, new charges are brought forth, young man pleads guilty and accepts plea bargain (summer/fall 2010)

NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1103 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:34:59 PM
I hope no school takes him. He assalted that girl by dragging her into a room against her will with three other men. Even if he didn't do anything once he got her in there he is guilty.

NotTHATbored
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 1103 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 6:33:18 PM
@xavroche I see your point, but there is no way that the school should have allowed him (or her) to participate in any extra curricular activites while the charges were pending. Then when he took the plea bargin for assult he should have been off the team for good( and I think he may have been?). Case closed. Thankfully he will always have an assult charge on his record.

Oh and you know that he did do SOMETHING,

"In an interview with KFDM News, Bolton cited regret for the attack and said he was looking forward to a future in college, perhaps at a school where he can re-start his football career"
Yahoo News

xavroche
Male, 30-39, Europe
 814 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:24:00 PM
I don't know whether or not the rape actually happened. I feel sorry for this girl because it is very likely that something happened that night, probably involving way too much alcohol at too early an age. The fact of the matter is the judicial system initially decided to drop the case, and after it had done so, I don't blam the school system for what they did. Maybe the judicial system did not do it's work and initially set a guilty man free, but the school system correctly defended a young man's rights against defamation at a time when a court of law had declared him innocent of the charges leveled against him. The eventual conviction two years later does not take away from the fact that charges had initially been dropped.

xavroche
Male, 30-39, Europe
 814 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 4:23:25 PM
I've read up on this a little bit, and it seems that the link provided by IAB is extremely skewed and deforms the facts. As far as I can tell, the problems between this young Lady and the School in regards to her refusing to cheer happened before the second case was filed, before the plea bargain, at a time when the case had been dismissed and no charges were filed against the young man. At that time he had been declared innocent, and as such I can understand that the school did not feel comfortable with the young lady continuing to bring up an issue that had been dropped by a court of law.

The second case and the plea are much more recent and happened after the young man graduated from the school. At no time was the young man considered guilty or had charges pending and attended the school.

It's also interesting to note that it seems the plea bargain was mainly accepted by the young man as a way to finally move on with his life...

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:34:37 PM
Sprinkz really!!???!??!?!! 2 words 'Plea Bargain', your are going to have to admit guilt to get that. So that is out of the question, he did it.


No, it isn't out of the question.

Imagine you have this choice:

1) Go on trial for rape. You will be presumed guilty by most people. Normal people. Like the members of the jury. You might be convicted, you might not. Whether you're guilty or innocent doesn't have all that much to do with the verdict. It's more down to whose lawyer does a better job.

2) Accept a plea bargain for a far less serious offence that will have little effect.

Whether you're innocent or guilty, (2) is a good choice.

We don't really know anything about what happened.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11420 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:26:47 PM
Hey, it's not fair, but if we don't naturally sympathize with the rape victim then we are doing something wrong. We can't start off by being skeptical of such a serious claim.


You are prejudging guilt solely on the basis of a biological characteristic, which is contrary to the most basic tenets of any decent criminal justice system. Even if it is "natural".

You bring up theft. Not so long ago, it was "natural" in the USA to assume that any "black" person accused of theft (or pretty much anything else) by a "white" person was guilty. Must we start off by assuming that again? I think not.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24534 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 2:00:07 PM

Wow, but she put her self in a position where she knew that would eventually be a scenario where as her position as a cheerleader she would have to support the home team, even if one of the players had wronged her! Yes its hard that she would have to give up her cheerleading but its like supporting a politician! you dont like them but you still have to support one! btw this isnt a troll!

Anger
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 218 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:13:52 PM
said there wasnt enough evidence charges dropped?
who knows what really happened

Dolomyte
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 102 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 1:10:37 PM
OK lots of argument going on here based on speculation. So let me add my 2 cents.

Silsbee Texas is a pretty small town in south east Texas. When my highschool played them in I don't even think they had a football program. Also the ratio of African Americans to Caucasian Americans is really low, my highschool had about 15 African Americans total from 9th-12th grade when I graduated. Rakheem sounds like an African American name and Vidor, Texas (The KKK activity central in Texas) is not far from Silsbee. This whole series of events may be racially motivated.

LemonTarte
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1451 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 12:44:35 PM
Quackor is obviously trolling. No sane human being would think something like that.

gorgack2000
Male, 13-17, Europe
 4702 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 11:37:19 AM
Good on quackr on not being afraid of voicing his opinion. Even if it is completely wrong.

aikiman
Male, 40-49, Europe
 255 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:40:30 AM
Quackor, you're a c*nt

ruthless1990
Female, 18-29, Europe
 3016 Posts
Tuesday, October 26, 2010 9:19:56 AM
Quackor I think i may actually hate you.

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