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Fatal Car Crash Victim Tragically Not Glenn Beck

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OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15091 Posts
Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:43:59 PM
bob, the burden of proof lies in the affirmative. If you make an accusation, it is up to you to prove it. If you can't, it is fair to assume that you never had any proof. No one is EVER required to prove his innocence.

And regarding your sources, I don't think all 5 "misheard" the show; more likely one of them lied about it, and the others are all repeating the same lie. Original source, or it didn't happen.

Regarding destroying evidence, how about this:

"Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise. He's not in at the moment - minor family crisis. Can you also email Gene and get him to do the same? I don't have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar to do likewise." [Jones: CRU email1212073451.txt May 29, 2008]

Oh, and this isn't a baseless accusation from some anonymous blogger fapping in his mom's basement. These actually are their own words.


almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Wednesday, October 20, 2010 9:36:34 PM
That's my point. How can you prove they KNEW that there was no evidence? Without mindreading, you can't. Therefore the "it may have just been a mistake" defence is equally valid.

And regarding my source - you don't have to trust it. Here, let me Google it for you. Unless you think all 5 of those top hits misheard the show, then that's more than enough evidence that he said what my source claimed. In which case, I was right. Again.

And how can you know they destroyed evidence? If they destroyed it, then there would have been nothing there. You can't point at an empty desk and say "see, this is proof they destroy evidence".

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15091 Posts
Monday, October 18, 2010 10:54:02 PM
bob, the "OldOllieDefence" doesn't work for defending the DNC. They KNEW that there was NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER to support their slander. It's as if I called you a child molester, and then challenged you to disprove the charge. That's EXACTLY what the DNC did to the C of C.

And regarding the 5th charge, once a source like yours has been thoroughly discredited, I can no longer take their accusations seriously. I'm going to have to see the entire unedited segment of the show when Beck talked about this. For all I know, he DID describe the poll accurately, and these dickholes are lying about what he said. Their word is no good with me, so I won't bother to refute their accusations.

It's just like davey's graph of temperature data. The Climategate emails proved that data were falsified. We know they cherry-picked data to support their preconceived conclusion, excluded contradictory data, and destroyed the evidence, so you can't trust ANYTHING they say.

Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Monday, October 18, 2010 5:38:01 PM
F*ck you Onion.

5Cats
Male, 50-59, Canada
 26636 Posts
Monday, October 18, 2010 5:29:47 AM
vv My point (and I do have one) is that NO ONE in the MSM asked about Obama's religious beliefs, but spent many MANY hours complaining and attacking Palin over hers. In fact the MSM 'reporters' conspired to hide unsavory facts about Obama, deliberatly smearing his opponents with lies.

Conservatives (and Yes I speak for all of us /sarc) believe child molesters should be put down like rabid dogs. It's LIBERALS who think they should be 'rehabilitated' and such.

The Catholic Church has a lot to answer for.
Sheltering and protecting known child molesters is immoral (and illegal!) and heads should roll for doing so.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2576 Posts
Monday, October 18, 2010 2:00:00 AM
Oh wait, I guess for some conservatives that last one(raping young boys) isn't so bad after all. The church can't be wrong so a light slap on the wrist would make that one ok right? Maybe a suspension with pay or a reassigning would make that one just fine in your eyes.

xelous
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2576 Posts
Monday, October 18, 2010 1:52:23 AM
@5Cats
What does it matter what his (Obama) religious beliefs are?
The bill of right's clearly states that (and if you're slow that's ok because it's the very First Amendment so you wont have to read much); "The (first) amendment prohibits the making of any law "respecting an establishment of religion", impeding the free exercise of religion...". I mean so long as he's not blowing up buses, taking multiple wives, or raping young boys then there's no reason to even make that an issue. Unless you're not very bright and eat everything that is fed to you through the very biased media. If you're going to blindly hate a person at least bother to know what you're talking about so you can make a valid and convincing point instead of just looking like a fool.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12131 Posts
Monday, October 18, 2010 12:55:16 AM
Does it matter if you don't like the guy? Wishing death on anyone is pathetic.

True. It's The Onion though. I doubt very much if anyone here genuinely wishes he would die, despite the bullish macho comments otherwise that any teenager can make on the internet.

Personally speaking, if I saw Glenn Beck on fire, I'd (genuinely) wrestle him to the ground and try to put the flames out, even though I might get burned. I'd do the same for any human being. And I believe (or hope) that any good person would do the same.

ihatekevin
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 165 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 9:41:36 PM
Does it matter if you don't like the guy? Wishing death on anyone is pathetic.

Spider_sol
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1454 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:00:13 PM
Damn, this seems to keep happening. When oh when will it finally be Glenn's time??

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 4:04:30 PM
I'll be sure to re-quote that back at you when you eventually Say to me, Or anyone else, That the source matters.


Please do. But before you do, please make sure the source actually DOES fulfil the second part of the sentence first.

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:28:53 PM
...

So, yet AGAIN, I have fulfilled the challenge you set me, even after you shift the goalposts. And we're only on #5 of 56. Concede yet?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:27:16 PM
And, to top it all off, let's have a little look at the VERY NEXT item on the list, #5 - conveniently just where Ollie stopped.

Glenn Beck claimed on his show that a survey showed that 45% of doctors would quit if the healthcare reform was passed.

He was wrong. 45% of the replies were that they would CONSIDER quitting. "Maybe" is not the same as "yes".
Incidentally, the response rate was barely over 5% (1376/25000 = 0.5504).

So Beck was wrong. A mistake, you will no doubt claim.
But he got the percentage, 45%, EXACTLY right. So he must have read the report. But he then deliberately lied about it with the intent to deceive - which is exactly Ollie's and CJ's new lie constraints.

So, yet AGAIN, I have fulfilled the challe

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:09:16 PM
This latest attempt by Obama, With the accusations about the Chamber of Commerce, Is a straw doll distraction meant to misdirect attention away from his own failures, Thus it is a lie.


Applying OldOllieDefence: Maybe Obama just didn't KNOW that. So it was just a mistake, not a lie. Ta-daa!

Do you see how pathetically weak that defence is?

almightybob1
Male, 18-29, Europe
 4278 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 3:07:14 PM
None of the things posted on bob's spreadsheet qualifies as a lie, i.e., a deliberate deception about a matter of substance.



Haha, fantastic. You're now:
a) Claiming telepathy - how do you know Beck made mistakes and not lies? Unless you're a mindreader, you cannot know whether he was aware of the facts. Nobody can. All we have to go on is what he says.
Incidentally, if someone says "I know X is true" when the truth is "I do not know whether X is true or not", that is still a lie.
b) redefining your question to make it impossible for me (since I do not claim telepathy) to disprove it. I can never demonstrate that Beck knew something because I cannot read his mind, therefore I cannot prove he is lying, ever. Anything he EVER says that later turns out to be not true, you can just say "he didn't know it wasn't true", and you're not counting that as a lie. That is what you're saying.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15091 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 1:02:19 PM
Davy, I don't think of all liberals as pathetic haters. I do apply that term to guys who sit around in their mothers' basements listening hour after hour of Glenn Beck and other conservatives trying to find something -- ANYTHING -- that they can misconstrue as a lie. These left-wing hate sites like the one bob cited don't just create themselves. There are actually people who devote their entire LIVES to this poo, and THAT'S pathetic.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:32:30 PM
Ollie is correct, There is a difference between a mistake and a lie. You can't elevate a mistake to a lie without proof of malice or intent to deceive.

This latest attempt by Obama, With the accusations about the Chamber of Commerce, Is a straw doll distraction meant to misdirect attention away from his own failures, Thus it is a lie.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 12:25:06 PM
davy: Yes, That is one of his theses. Source

Right at the top of that article. Sorry, But his radical view on that alone negates any thesis on 'balance' or 'subjectivity' he claims others should have.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12131 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:34:37 AM
I'm also not going to to listen to Haidt after his claim of conservative's being hereditarily brain damaged. That's just wrong and insulting.

I agree. That's not his thesis. His thesis is that that is the way liberals tend to think of conservatives. Just as conservatives tend to think of liberals as "pathetic" (thanks Ollie, didn't have to look far for a counterpoint). Haidt challenges this and urges us to understand the others side's view.

But whatever. You've made your mind up, fair enough. I'm off to play xbox.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15091 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:28:18 AM
...THAT was a lie.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15091 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:27:51 AM
Of course Beck makes mistakes. He's has thousands of hours of programming and thousands of pathetic liberals haters poring over his every word trying to come up with a "gotcha" moment. But mistakes are not lies.

Let me give you some examples of mistakes and lies.

When Obama said that if we passed the "stimulus," unemployment would not go over 8%, that was a mistake, since he probably believed it, and I can't prove otherwise.

When Bill Clinton, Madeline Albright, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, and Nancy Pelosi all said Saddam had WMD, they weren't lying; they actually believed it. However, when they all later accused Bush of lying for saying the exact same thing, THAT was lying.

When the DNC accused the Chamber of Commerce of "stealing our democracy" by using foreign donations to fund political ads when they knew there was not a single shred of evidence to support the claim,

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:17:02 AM
almightybob1: It doesn't matter WHO wrote it, it only matters that WHAT they wrote is true and that they provide sufficient evidence to demonstrate that truth.


I'll be sure to re-quote that back at you when you eventually Say to me, Or anyone else, That the source matters.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 15091 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:12:15 AM
Just to clear things up, I never said Glenn Beck was "infallible." I said he wasn't a LIAR -- big difference. None of the things posted on bob's spreadsheet qualifies as a lie, i.e., a deliberate deception about a matter of substance.

What he listed were either false accusations i.e., what Beck said was actually true, or they were trifling details of no substance.

Example: whether Van Jones went to prison or jail may be substantial when taken all by itself, but in the contest of the fact that he is a radical Marxist Truther who was appointed by the president as the "Green Jobs Czar" -- a position of considerable power for which he had not one single qualification and was not subject to the Senate confirmation process -- it becomes a trifling detail. Honestly, could this be the one fact that changes someone's opinion of Jones from positive to negative? Such a claim is clearly absurd. (cont.)


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17310 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 11:12:11 AM
davy: You need some serious help with your history. Progressivism, aka Liberalism has been advancing steadily to the left for several decades.

If you go back to John F. Kennedy's speeches you'll see that most of his ideas are not unlike the current conservative position. Do you seriously think liberals have been dragged to the right ? or that conservatives want to reel the clock back to the 1900s ? If so you are entirely wrong.

I'm also not going to to listen to Haidt after his claim of conservative's being hereditarily brain damaged. That's just wrong and insulting.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12131 Posts
Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:31:51 AM
L=Liberal avg. view, C=Conservative avg view, The *= the Average of both views.

<----------L-*-C---------->
<-----------L--*--C------->
<------------L--*---C----->
<-------------L---*----T-->

That point where "C" turns to "T" stands for Tea Party.

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