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Christine O'Donnell Thinks Evolution is a Myth

Hits: 20318 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:30:26 PM
I had to throw your statements back at you to make you understand how absurd they were, Hopefully it worked.


No, because it was and remains true that you're making stuff up and attributing it to other people as a form of ad hominem in lieu of an actual argument and I'm not.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:28:08 PM
I believe that slavery, torture, and rape are evil, And the Bible does NOT advocate them.


Yes, it does. You just choose to ignore bits of it that you don't like. Which is what almost all Christians do and that's usually a very good thing.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14524 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:17:23 PM
@Volsunga and NotTHATbored
If either of you had even the slightest understanding of the Consitution, you would know that none of the issues you raised fall under the powers of the Congress. Of course, liberals have done everything possible to destroy completely the very concept of constitutional restraints on federal power in order to enact their socialist agenda, and now you're afraid that's going to come back and bite you. Well, if did, you would certainly deserve it, but don't worry. You see, conservatives actually BELIEVE in the Constitution, and subsequently, they believe that all of these issues you mention are controlled by the states, not the feds.

Now, what was your response to my assertion that Keynesian economics is destroying the country? (Homework: Write 500-1000 word rebuttal. Hint: Google John Maynard Keynes.)

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17245 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:23:20 PM
Angilion: Well I can tell you this, I've never oppressed anyone with my religion. I believe that slavery, torture, and rape are evil, And the Bible does NOT advocate them. And those acts certainly don't agree with "Love your neighbor as you love yourself." Which Jesus said is the greatest commandment after Loving God.

I had to throw your statements back at you to make you understand how absurd they were, Hopefully it worked. I don't believe you are my mirror, I put up a mirror to show reflect part of your own image.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 4:37:20 PM
Nice attempt to use my argument against me, CrakrJak, but there's a crucial difference that you're overlooking:

Just because you're doing something, it doesn't mean that I'm also doing it but in the opposite direction. I'm not you in a mirror.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 3:46:29 PM
Then what do you mean by "evolutionary science" CrakrJak?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17245 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 3:20:20 PM
Welp, It's clear all of you just parse my words and misread them on purpose. If any of you had ever read Marx, You'd realize his idea of a proletariat rising up, Ridding itself of the elite, and creating a 'classless' equal society based on people's innate skills, Is definitely 'evolutionary'.

It is different than the eugenics of Nazi Germany, I never said that they are exactly the same.

Science is a tool. People are responsible for any evil arising from its use.


Well said, Same goes for the Bible as well.

Angilion: It's clear that you're experienced at making things up about religion, That you selectively take out of context or completely change the meaning of anything in the Bible.

You, for example, have an opinion that is anti-religion and you are determinedly ignorant of even the most basic concepts of Christianity.

That makes you utterly unable to make meaningful assessments of anything to do with Christians.

lilylilylily
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 82 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:31:35 PM
I find that most people who don't believe in the theory of evolution don't actually no what it states.

ROK9
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1838 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 2:04:13 PM
its a theory so fake

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:34:36 PM
Actually the last two books there both rejected the idea of evolution. The latter as "pseudoscience".

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10287 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:30:33 PM
@CrakrJak

No, the ideas behind communism have existed before the theory of evolution's inception. Hell the ideas behind Stalinism and Maoism were not unprecedented. Stalin himself rejected evolution and genetics on ideological grounds. Hitler for another matter justified the Holocaust with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. What does that book say on Evolution? None. How about the The Foundations of the Nineteenth Century or The Myth of the Twentieth Century (both attributed to Nazi Germany)? Again the former flat out rejected the idea the latter said very little.

green_batman
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 730 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:03:11 PM
CrackrJak: Oh boy. The "science is responsible for evil" farse. Science is a tool. People are responsible for any evil arising from its use. And, no, evolution does not support eugenics. It is the misunderstanding of evolution and the application of teleological qualities to it that leads people to think that the purpose of evolution is to "better" the species, but, really, there is no purpose to evolution. All of those deaths that you just listed were the result of sick minds, not evolutionary theory.

jinxiejae
Female, 30-39, Western US
 2760 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:02:12 PM
science explains how it was created, religion attempts to explain why it was created.

Gorodetsky
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 203 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:47:29 AM
Aww, none for me. Vid was pulled.

SPARTAKITTY
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 2131 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:43:27 AM
She's so stupid it makes me sad.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6464 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:36:51 AM
The Bible's main message is to show us the plan, purpose, and glory of our Creator, and not science or mathematics.

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2000year old scribblings from uneducated halfwits. So we're supposed to believe people who didn't know plumbing understood the secrets of the universe and creation of man? Takes someone exceedingly gullible to fall for such nonsense which is why I believe religious people are retarded.

kairobert
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1634 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 9:51:51 AM
"Evolutionary science lent credence to the ideas of Eugenics and Communism, Both of which have killed many millions of people.

China under Mao: 58,000,000 killed
USSR under Stalin: 20,000,000 killed
Nazi Germany: 5,700,000 killed from 1933-1945
Khmer Rouge: 1,600,000 killed between 1975-1978 "

To attribute Social Darwinism to the Communist ideology only worsens your already wavering credibility.

yarrrpirate
Male, 18-29, Europe
 397 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:53:11 AM
And how the hell has evolutionary science lent credence to communism? Are you being intentionally stupid?

Besides, those regimes you listed had a form of oppressive socialism, even if they were called communists.

yarrrpirate
Male, 18-29, Europe
 397 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:51:27 AM
@Crakrjak "Angilion: It's clear you blame religion for all the 'evils' of the world, But that's not true.

Evolutionary science lent credence to the ideas of Eugenics and Communism, Both of which have killed many millions of people.

China under Mao: 58,000,000 killed
USSR under Stalin: 20,000,000 killed
Nazi Germany: 5,700,000 killed from 1933-1945
Khmer Rouge: 1,600,000 killed between 1975-1978

Too name a few examples."


It was based on an intentional misinterpretation of evolutionary biology, namely racial biology, kind of like how Christians make stuff up about what the theory of evolution actually is, and then deny it based on that straw man.

And no one here has said that religion is the only evil, but two wrongs don't make a right, so Hitler's holocaust does not justify the Crusades or the Inquisition. Nor were any of the things you listed done in the name of atheism (which is logically impossible).

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:31:19 AM
CrakrJak, it's clear that you're experienced at making things up and claiming that they're other people's position, so that you can attack that made-up position in order to draw attention away from the fact that you can't answer what those people have actually said. You must be experienced at it because you do it as a first choice and you do it well.

But you're still just using ad hominem to draw attention away from what has actually been written.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:27:57 AM
gorgack2000: You're misreading me, I was refuting the belief that 'Science can answer any question'.


Science can answer any question that has any relevance to the real world. If it exists as matter or energy, it is within the scope of science.

Outside of that, pick any answer you like. Just don't try to pretend it's true in any meaningful sense or confuse it with science, e.g.

Teaching Christian creationism, under any name (note that 'Intelligent Design' is Christian creationism), in science classes in schools.

Referring to anything religious as a theory comparable with scientific theory.

Offering religion as an alternative explanation for anything covered by science.

Offering religion, especially a specific religion, as the truth, or even as a better explanation than any other. A religion is just a baseless idea that some people like better than other baseless ideas.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17245 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:19:05 AM
Angilion: It's clear you blame religion for all the 'evils' of the world, But that's not true.

Evolutionary science lent credence to the ideas of Eugenics and Communism, Both of which have killed many millions of people.

China under Mao: 58,000,000 killed
USSR under Stalin: 20,000,000 killed
Nazi Germany: 5,700,000 killed from 1933-1945
Khmer Rouge: 1,600,000 killed between 1975-1978

Too name a few examples.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:15:59 AM
while evolution has been proved within species, it hasn't been proved without species, it is a theory. a well believed and very well backed up theory but people are allowed their own opinions, just saying.


Of course people are allowed their own opinions. That does not mean that everyone's opinion is right.

You, for example, have an opinion that is provably wrong and you are determinedly ignorant of even the most basic concepts of science.

That makes you utterly unable to make meaningful assessments of anything to do with science, but you are indeed allowed to make your completely meaningless statements about things you have no understanding of.

I could have the opinion that my PC is the creator of all things, or that licking my mouse is the only meaningful way to pray. Anyone can have any opinion. That doesn't make them all equally valid.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11547 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:05:12 AM
As for the rest, Your talking of bronze age men trying to explain the visions God gave them. They explained it in the only words and terms they had at the time.


Neat trick.

You can use that idea to selectively ignore or completely change the meaning of anything in your book.

As Christians have always done and continue to do.

Slavery, for example. Or torturing people to death for trivial things. Or rape. Or any of the evil clearly advocated by your book, often framed as a straightforward and direct order from your god. All explained away by this...well, actually it isn't. But it gives you something to hide behind while saying it's unfair prejudice for people to point out the truth about a religion.

Of course, the whole idea of bronze age men trying to explain things outside their experience somehow becomes invalid when used to argue that it makes their writing unreliable.

yarrrpirate
Male, 18-29, Europe
 397 Posts
Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:58:09 AM
Now you're just randomly namedropping.

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