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Perspective On 9/11 And The U.S. Invasions

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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12020 Posts
Thursday, September 16, 2010 3:24:07 AM
vv OK Crakr. You win. The 70 shipments of biological and chemical weapons (including Anthrax) from the US to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war was so that he could develop vaccines and treatments.

Like I said, you win. Whatever helps you sleep at night. Old thread is old, see ya round.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16745 Posts
Wednesday, September 15, 2010 4:25:16 AM
Davy: Anthrax is not 100% lethal as often claimed. Wool sorters inhale anthrax spores in small quantities continually. Anthrax normally attacks the lungs, because it must lodge in vulnerable tissue. It can invade through other routes such as cuts or undercooked meat, but it only does so under third world conditions.

Because of that, Laboratory anthrax has been distributed to many countries to develop vaccines and treatments to those affected by the natural sources of the spores.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12020 Posts
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:11:57 AM
Yeah yeah Crakr, I get the concept of Dual-Use. Fertilizer, fuel, bleach. Still fail to see the Dual-Use in supplying Iraq with Anthrax though... pretty sure it has only one use...

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16745 Posts
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:59:08 AM
Another example: Are the people that sold Timothy McVeigh the fertilizer and fuel oil responsible for what he decided to do with it in Oklahoma City ?

The answer is of course, No.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16745 Posts
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 4:55:05 AM
davymid: The agents the US sold to Saddam during the Iran-Iraq war had a "Dual-Use" according to the Riegle report, That means they had a legitimate use as well. The agents sold were not 'weaponized', Saddam's chemists were responsible for that.

Also, Saddam used Mustard Gas on the Kurds. The US did not supply him with that.

An example of "Dual-use": You could sell Hydrogen Peroxide to a country for legitimate medical use, That countries chemists could then concentrate that H2O2 and use it to make explosives.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12020 Posts
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:43:00 AM
Mr Pedo Bear said: "However Saddam was an evil bastard, he had wmd's just ask the kurds he gassed if u want proof, you'll find them in mass graves in the north."

Saddam gassed Kurds? With WMDs? Biological and chemical weapons including anthrax? Where the hell did he get those from?

You're right though, it's one thing for the US to supply chemical and biological weapons to a brutal dictator. You don't ever expect them to be actually USED! Jeez, that's insane. That bastard Saddam.

tstyblucryns
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 498 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 11:53:40 PM
@splurbyburbl

Either you misunderstood what I was saying, you are eager to assume, or you are a troll. Take your pick.

To add to what I was saying: The exact number of innocent deaths seems irrelevant to me. The fact that there are so many innocent people dying makes me just as sick as 9/11 did. You can try to justify it by saying that we were playing the world's superhero and getting rid of the bad guy but that's bullpoo. No one cared about getting those bad guys until we were the victims. I'm done. I was gonna find some link to something I read but then lost interest. Believe whatever you want IDGF.

Also, T-marley, I don't remember calling you a douchbag but it was uncalled for. Sorry.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16745 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 10:27:56 PM
Mr_Pedo_Bear: That will be a much harder job in Afghanistan. We are dealing with a culture soaked in 14th century 'eye for an eye' morals, Low levels of education, And a heritage of nearly constant war that goes back before the crusades.

Trying to pull them up into the 21st century idea of modern culture will be a herculean task, If we could get them into the 20th century culturally, The effort would be considered a success by most standards.

Mr_Pedo_Bear
Male, 70 & Over, Southern US
 631 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 6:53:30 PM
I dont thinkt he invasions should have happened financially crippling.

However Saddam was an evil bastard, he had wmd's just ask the kurds he gassed if u want proof, you'll find them in mass graves in the north.

Currently its poo but will get a lot better overtime and last. Want an example look at Sotuh Korea compared to North Korea, what country has done better out of that and they thank the US to this day for their help. Kicking out the communist insurgents. I'm not saying was right thing to invade or not, but sometimes the outcomes end up for the best in the long run. and if the forces left now everything that has happend would be for nothing. duty now to stay until the country can rule itself effectively. They dont want the taliban as much as they dont want the forces. But untill they are equipped to fend them off its our duty now to stay...

dax2009
Female, 50-59, Midwest US
 322 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 6:10:58 PM
ALTURA: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!! Saw Eddy izzard on a special once, didn't catch his name,and have been looking for him ever since. ThankS!

Altaru
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3500 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 5:10:08 PM
@Davy
Woah there Cowboy, that would put him up there in the "Hitler-Class".

Just a thought, but watch the video I posted... It kinda of covers that in it's own way too.

Izzard basically says that, as long as they're killing people in their own region, the rest of the world doesn't care.

Never thought that one video would come in so much handy...

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 4:00:05 PM
Thanks Splur!

mastrmind
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 101 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 2:49:49 PM
Lots of the civilians actually play both sides.

They work for us during the day, and make bombs, dig the holes for the bombs or supply money and housing to the insurgency.

That's how it goes.

mastrmind
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 101 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 2:46:01 PM
@ Gerry

You can put things into an ICBM. theyre originally HOLLOW. You then place your weapon of choice be it explosive, chemical, biological or nuclear and shoot it.

To say the shells means the rounds without a payload.

I am sorry you don't understand how to inference and have little to go with in your replies, but let the grown ups talk and you can go sit at the kiddie table.

ilfg
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 338 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 2:09:33 PM
can we compare this to the statistics from Viet Nam?

ZacWasHere
Male, 18-29, Australia
 100 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 2:05:55 PM
Are still think? Man, you can tell it's 7am pre-caffeine in Australia :P hahaha

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 2:05:43 PM
T-Mar: I really enjoyed your posts. Just wanted to let you know.

ZacWasHere
Male, 18-29, Australia
 100 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 2:05:01 PM
Glad to see some Americans are still think War is the answer... that was sarcasm, btw...

mic_bastid
Male, 18-29, Western US
 83 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 1:27:41 PM
If you consider terrorists to be civilians then maybe, otherwise this is anti war rhetoric BS

Concetra
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2032 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 12:25:23 PM
Send in the A-Team.

paddy215
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1666 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 10:48:30 AM
"Well, let this be a warning to anyone else who wants to murder Americans, They will be hunted down like the animals they are.

Cant blame us that we are better at what we do than they are."

You basically just called your entire nation murdering animals.

T-Marley
Male, 70 & Over, Eastern US
 600 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 9:46:15 AM
Thanks Davy.

Tsty, the inaccuracies of that study bother me so much because people see something on CNN and take it as gospel. While it may just be politics to who first wrote it, it's a great recruiting tool for Al-Qaeda.

For the record, my fiance is Iraqi, and lived there from 1977 to 1991. She lived through the war between Tehran and Baghdad, and now when she gets calls from her family there it is always with the fear of "Who died now?"

I know I seem militant and callous, and probably because I am, but that is the only way to win a war. It's not like we can really all have hindi dance battles.

At least we try to keep them low, does Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or Ahmedinejad?

"You can win a war without fighting, but it's tough. And the enemy may not cooperate."




beternal
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2207 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 8:09:23 AM
*what difference would it have made to you lot/ the world?

...and have the troops died from a worthy cause...

beternal
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2207 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 8:07:38 AM
@ForAllThSin...

"I'm sure you can agree with me on this mastrmind. 90% of those "civilians" were firing on troops, then dropped their guns transforming them into "civilians" seconds before getting killed like they deserved."

...And who would they be firing on if your lot weren't there?

No offense to all you pro-war lot but if you stick someone in front of a man with a gun, dont complain if he gets shot.

I still don't know why there are even troops over there, I never have! To me it all sounds like propaganda and granted, 3000 people were killed on 9/11 but it was the fault of the hijackers, and they're dead now.

I'm open to explanations though... if someone can answer these three questions, I'd be grateful!
1- Why are there troops in Iraq
2- Is it REALLY necessary
3- Are the loss of troops justifiable

Basicall what I'm saying is, if America/ UK had never gone into Iraq AT ALL, what differenc

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16745 Posts
Monday, September 13, 2010 7:25:39 AM
Samsquanch: The 'sanction' in '91 was getting Saddam's forces out of Kuwait and that was all, We did go a bit further and reduce most of his army to smoking holes in the desert, But HW Bush was not given any OK by the UN to kill or capture Saddam.

In hindsight it would've been for the best, But the UN would've likely been pissed off because that wasn't the stated mission goal at that time.

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