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Retired Bishop John Shelby Spong Speaks The Truth

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Dav2050
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:09:10 PM
CrakrJak what a typical condescending Christian way to talk to someone, "I pity him". Trying to make yourself look good and great when really just spitting on that person. drating hypocrite.

Siyanor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1456 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:01:10 PM
Perhaps you should fight yourself, then, Crakr, since you are, as I said, the epitome of hopelessness and hatred.

Mickets
Male, 30-39, S. America
 228 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:51:07 PM
NoArms5534: Good point. And the same for many other Christian religions. It's so easy to be religious, just follow a church, rules, men... But it's quite hard to read the Bible and follow Christ.

But to summarize it all: Heaven is for those who repent, who want a relationship with God. Hell is for those who don't. Because God is good, pure, and can't coexist with sin.

AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
 894 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:49:16 PM
Before I found God I used to frequent truck stops. It got to the point that I needed penis in or around my mouth so bad that I would pay them! So this guy's an idiot... God saved me and he has a plan for me.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17243 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:14:08 PM
Siyanor: I've been fighting hatred and hopelessness before I discovered IAB. There has been much hatred aimed at Christianity here. Most posts here exhibit the extremes when it comes to religion, Spong being one of them, The WBC being the other.

Neither one represent mainstream Christianity. It's ridiculous that this Former Bishop Spong still believes he's a 'Christian' when he doesn't believe any of the fundamentals of Christianity.

I don't live with hatred, It's a useless emotion. I walk in hope because of my faith, Spong has neither.

rainbowfarts
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 800 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:09:33 PM
@HunterKiller, care to elucidate your reasoning?

NoArms5534
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 195 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 7:07:14 PM
Wow, an Episcopalian who doesn't have a clue about the Bible. Surprise, surprise. Episcopalians are one step above agnostic.

Arandanos
Female, 18-29, S. America
 222 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 6:23:54 PM
I like him O_O very much.

aseirinn
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 879 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 6:22:21 PM
'nothingness' isn't that bad, you will never see it because you'll be dead...when your born you dont know that your alive...

Siyanor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1456 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:35:44 PM
Well, Crakr certainly has a lot of faith...

But he's pretty much the epitome of hopelessness and hatred.

Siyanor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1456 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:34:06 PM
"i agree on most of what he said regarding religion, but not so much on his views on the afterlife. he confused me there a little...are we god?"

I believe he was trying to say that there is a Heaven, but no Hell.

Lolboy
Male, 70 & Over, Africa
 797 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:29:22 PM
Hey, at least he's actually thinking about the background of what he believes in and understands that the Church liked to keep people in line by telling them they will go to hell if they're "bad". Better than just being like "EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW, EVERY TONGUE CONFESS."

Samsquanch
Male, 30-39, Canada
 794 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:14:27 PM
Welcome to the wonderful world of panentheism. God exists, but he doesn't give two craps about what we do on this earth. He doesn't demand worship, or threaten eternal damnation. He's an abstract concept of a will far beyond our reasoning, with a level of being that escapes our meager grasps.

There is life after death, but not in the sense of eternal bliss or eternal damnation, or whatever your church tries to scare you with. It's an existence of co-consciousness of the universe.

thubanstar
Female, 40-49, Southern US
 806 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:03:57 PM
I really like this guy. Agree with him too.

HunterKiller
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 363 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:03:55 PM
bah this guy is a crackpot, theres a lot of contradiction to what he's saying and well, there you have it. I don't even think some atheists would agree with this.

crashgirl88
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 200 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:57:57 PM
I think he might be talking about cosmic consciousness and the idea that the universe is within every being and outside of it at the same time.

Skabashas
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1244 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:43:28 PM
Wow, what a smart human being. Not saying I agree with everything, but damn, he's done a whole lot of complex thinking in his life.

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:16:41 PM
baalthazaq, im about right there with you. i agree on most of what he said regarding religion, but not so much on his views on the afterlife. he confused me there a little...are we god?

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:05:52 PM
I agree with about 75% of this.

Dead-Kittens
Male, 30-39, Canada
 985 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:02:10 PM
That reporter costume that Satan is wearing is awesome. BUrn kids. Burn for yor sins. BUUUURRRNNNNNNn. j/k lol.

KPres
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 309 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:00:30 PM
" I have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who can think so logically and still believe in a deity. I'm unable to, but more power to him. A brilliant man."

Then you should read some more philosophy. There are ideas and conceptions of God that are very logical and rational, and have nothing to do with "the grey haired guy in the sky" that some people imagine God as. The bishop himself hints at such an idea starting @ around 2:13.

Oscola
Male, 18-29, Europe
 353 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:45:54 PM
I'm not religious at all and he just put into words exactly why. I believe in God and have my own personal belief systems, but it's nice to see a Christian with enough humility and wisdom to realise the truth about organised religion.

Webz
Male, 18-29, Europe
 572 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:43:36 PM
As a Christian, I can't say I agree with everything the man says, however I definitely like the 'thinking outside the box' approach to religion. I think far too many religious people feel they understand things and are certain about things that there is simple no way of knowing, like the idea of Heaven and Hell.

C. S. Lewis had some interesting theories about Hell for anyone interested.

cobrakiller
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 6950 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:35:30 PM
CrakrJak, christianity hasnt been about faith, hope, and love since jesus himself died.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17243 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 3:27:01 PM
Thdot: Found out all I need to know through his own words, The rest is likely a sordid tale.

He thinks it's about control, Because he once had control and lost it. He's either forgotten or didn't ever learn the Hope, Faith, and Love.

It's really sad, I pity him.

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