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Gays Have A Great Same-Sex Marriage Solution [Pic]

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SouthpawSlew
Male, 18-29, Western US
 96 Posts
Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:34:56 PM
I clap for Musuko.

randasaur
Female, 18-29, Western US
 50 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 8:04:45 AM
Deal. Sweet, two birds with one stone! I call this a triumph.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:16:58 AM
By the way, CrakrJak; you can just give up throwing out examples of gay relationships that don't last.

For every one you cite, we can give you a hundred examples back of failed straight relationships.

"The average civil union for gays and lesbians lasts 2 years."

And where are you getting these figures?

It's pretty pointless arguing that us gay people (who are trying so desperately for the right to marry our loved-ones...you'd think we want it for a better reason than just to piss off you fundies. You know...for love maybe?) aren't able to handle the commitment of marriage, when you straight people seem just as hopeless at it.

Personal question, CrakrJak; are you married?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:12:14 AM
@CrakrJak.

Also, the very link you posted to refute my point actually confirms it.

Within, it cites a study that revealed:

"It predicted that one-third of new marriages among younger people will end in divorce within 10 years and 43 percent within 15 years."

So 43% of marriages fail within 15 years. And you find it unlikely that half of all marriages will fail? That 43% isn't counting the marriages that fail AFTER 15 years.

You really aren't very good at this, are you?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 5:03:10 AM
@CrakrJak.

"Life isn't fair, Get over it."

What's your ethnic makeup, CrakrJak? Should I demanding you get back to the cotton fields? Slavery isn't fair either, after all.

"You've made your choices and you knew the consequences."

Again, you show yourself to be coming unarmed to a battle of wits. Two points.

1: it's not a choice.
2: even if it was, that isn't a reason to disallow it. You chose to be a Christian, after all; and you'd not be happy about Christianity being banned because it's a "lifestyle choice" would you?

Also, why does it bother you so much CrakrJak? Again...I really suspect you're getting too many hardons looking at guys, and can't handle it.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 4:58:40 AM
@CrakrJak.

"Marriage is between a man and a woman period, That is the way it has always been."

Twenty seconds and a quick google search finds me information about same-sex marriages in ancient China and early Rome. I'm also vaguely aware of the custom of the "third gender" in ancient India.

You're simply wrong.

"The divorce rate in 2005 (per 1,000 people) was 3.6 -- the lowest rate since 1970, and down from 4.2 in 2000 and from 4.7 in 1990. That 50% figure you quote is not accurate at all it is Fiction "

That sounds like 3.6% PER YEAR. The 50% rate refers to the fact that half of all marriages will end in a divorce at some point. YOUR figure measures the percentage of married couples that divorce each year.

If you can't tell the difference, then you're operating on a mental level far below the minimum required to debate this issue.

Khronnus
Male, 18-29, Europe
 622 Posts
Wednesday, September 08, 2010 2:51:26 AM
CrakrJak - I only read your last post, and that's enough for me. Its people like you that made this whole coming out experience traumatic. You should be ashamed of yourself and your backwards ways.

startech
Male, 30-39, Canada
 238 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:43:34 PM
I actually agree with this sticker, gays shouldn't marry, and people shouldn't divorce. Who would have though that part of family life could be fixed with a bumper sticker?

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:36:04 PM
Musuko42: Marriage is between a man and a woman period, That is the way it has always been. The average civil union for gays and lesbians lasts 2 years. The first women that won their case in Massachusetts to get married have already divorced.

The divorce rate in 2005 (per 1,000 people) was 3.6 -- the lowest rate since 1970, and down from 4.2 in 2000 and from 4.7 in 1990. That 50% figure you quote is not accurate at all it is Fiction

Life isn't fair, Get over it. You've made your choices and you knew the consequences. I don't care if you wanted to be a firefighter, soldier, engineer, or whatever if you lack the ability to do those things because you made bad choices then it's your fault, Not the rest of the world.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10349 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 9:39:36 AM
@CrakrJak
One's sexual orientation is not effected by genes but by siblings. Specifically the youngest male one is most likely to be homosexual.
source

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:56:47 AM
@CrakrJak

In any case, if you say sexuality is a choice, then YOU should not be allowed to marry either.

Because if YOU chose to be straight, then you have no more right to marry than someone who chose to be gay.

Because if OUR choice is to be refused, then why not yours?

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:54:50 AM
@CrakrJak

"Face it, You've lost the argument."

You forget the important maxim: lack of evidence does not mean evidence of a lack.

You should know that. You fundies use it yourself as defence of god existing.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:51:54 AM
"What I care about is the word 'marriage' and not letting it get hijacked by people that don't give a frog's fat ass about actually honoring the word"

Oh good, we're agreed then.

ATTENTION EVERYONE! CRAKRJAK AND I BOTH BELIEVE THAT STRAIGHT PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO MARRY, AS THE MAJORITY OF STRAIGHT DO NOT HONOUR IT!

You know, with the whole 50%+ divorce rate.

wiscesq
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 97 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:14:53 AM
@CrakrJak-
FYI, the practice of marriage predates Christianity by several thousand years.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:11:14 AM
Musuko42: Ok Fine, Don't believe me believe the science. BBC WND NARTH

Insults are the last refuge of the ignorant and cowardly. Face it, You've lost the argument.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:35:16 AM
k8giggles: But back to marriage being a Christian institution. How do you feel when heterosexual Jews get married? What about Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus? Or what about atheists who get married at city hall?


I never said that it was a strictly Christian institution, Please don't try and put words in my mouth. I don't care if other religions want to get married, I don't care if gays want 'civil unions'. What I care about is the word 'marriage' and not letting it get hijacked by people that don't give a frog's fat ass about actually honoring the word, Their intentions have been clear from the start. They want to literally shove it in Christians faces and force them to accept their alternative lifestyle choice as normal and force churches to 'marry' them against the church's beliefs. Muslims don't try to force a synagogue to marry them, Jews don't force Churches to marry them, Buddhists don't try to force mosques to marry them.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2850 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 7:19:44 AM
@CrakrJak.

"There is no 'gay' gene"

I didn't know you were a highly-qualified geneticist! Wow! And to think, all this time I'd been thinking you were an over-opinionated ignorant bigot!

I would very much love to read your thesis! What is the title?

Face it, it doesn't even MATTER if it's a choice or not (and it's not). Your religion is a choice, yet you wish to be free to exercise it. So to with my sexuality.

Personally, I think you're just scared. Maybe you've been getting one too many hardons when Brad Pitt takes his shirt off and you're too chicken to come to terms with what it means.

Meanwhile, the world continues to turn.

doomdog
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 5 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 5:21:12 AM
That's just a stupid sticker. FAIL.

whatevs
Female, 13-17, Eastern US
 126 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 3:56:38 AM
i agree with lerie

k8giggles
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 15 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:50:09 AM
(cut off from the previous post)
to remarry within the Catholic church.

k8giggles
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 15 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:49:30 AM
(continued from previous post)
Still the state performs marriages, and in the US is actually responsible for all marriages. [the whole, "By the power vested in me by the state of [blank], I now pronounce you..."] Argue if you must that the state shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all (and only offer civil unions to hetero- and homosexual couples), but that argument would have been a lot more meaningful if those who are so interested in marriage as a religious institution had started campaigning for a removal of state "interference" prior to the movement to legalize gay marriage.

It is unconstitutional to ban an individual right to any class of people. As it stands, that right is called marriage in the law books. Semantics make a pretty poor case.

Other Christian churches could always take a page from the Catholic playbook. They only recognize marriages that have been blessed by a priest, and divorces must also be annulled if you want

k8giggles
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 15 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:37:11 AM
@CrakrJak
I don't know the specifics of the two cases you mention. I just did a little research on the Ocean Grove case. I don't know enough to make a judgment, but it is clear that the couple in question was not interested in performing a civil union within any of the churches, but rather on what was described as public land. It's an odd case since the OGCMA owns the entire town. I don't know enough about tax law and anti-discriminatory law to know who's first amendment rights trumped in this case.

But back to marriage being a Christian institution. How do you feel when heterosexual Jews get married? What about Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus? Or what about atheists who get married at city hall?

The point is, Christians have never had a monopoly on marriage. For most of history it's been an economical contract (though that's harder to splice when church and state were the same thing). Still the state performs marriages, and in the US is actually responsible for all ma

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:14:13 AM
Musuko42: The world does not revolve around your pathetic little religion.


The world has never allowed gays or lesbians to legally 'marry' before, It's not a right they've ever had or been taken away. Therefore they are asking for a special right based on their lifestyle choice. There is no 'gay' gene, No one is 'born gay' like someone is born asian, black, indian, or white. Even someone that is 'born into' a creed can and do change their minds and follow other religions or become atheists, It's a choice.

There are former gays, lesbians and bisexuals, that have also made the choice to become heterosexual again. But the gay community would rather ridicule them and make believe these former gays don't exist because they know it's evidence of choice.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17308 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:56:56 AM
Musuko42 & k8giggles

TRENTON, August 21, 2007 – In another case of a clash between Christian traditional values and the new secular sexual morality, the United Methodist Church group that owns a private campground retreat are suing the New Jersey government, saying its rights of religious freedom are being violated. The state is investigating a discrimination charge brought against the Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association by a pair of lesbians who wanted to use the private retreat campground for a “civil union” ceremony.

It's already started, Another lesbian couple has sued a Knight of Columbus hall for not renting their space to them for their wedding reception.

If civil unions don't satisfy your needs, Then lobby to change them so they will. Leave the word 'marriage' out of it and quit aggravating Christians for standing up for their beliefs.

Wizard77
Male, 40-49, Western US
 582 Posts
Monday, September 06, 2010 6:20:46 PM
Musuko42- "Not caring what the world thinks of you (then acting all offended when we get annoyed with you for it)."

Again, The USA was established to get away from European forms of government. Do you honestly care what Americans think of you? Not really. And we don't care what you think either. Why should we? Europe in general hasn't done anything exceptional since the renaissance.

We are not perfect and never will be. But our system is exceptional. America has her problems, but we are working them out and we are still the best deal on the planet.

We don't care what some outsiders say about us. We are not "offended" at all. Its like jabbing a stick into an anthill. They all run around in furious motion. But they cant do anything about it because they are only ants. It may be interesting to watch or even a little funny. But in the end it doesn't matter.

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