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God Did Not Create The Universe, Says Hawking

Hits: 28493 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: Science | Added by: davymid
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xana
Male, 13-17, Europe
 7 Posts
Friday, September 24, 2010 1:33:54 PM
i might by that book

though he is an astro phisisist so its kind of his job to say that

Custardface
Male, 13-17, Australia
 96 Posts
Friday, September 10, 2010 1:21:47 AM
Moves up to 1. on my books to buy list.

plurr4all
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 154 Posts
Tuesday, September 07, 2010 1:00:41 PM
"Religion without science leads to superstition, science without religion leads to materialism."
- Abdu'l-Bahá

Noggin01
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 72 Posts
Monday, September 06, 2010 12:09:36 PM
Honestly NottaSpy, you don't want to be on AnarchistGod's poo list. It is my understanding that he actually does some pretty terrible stuff like name calling and making fun of people. I mean, he might even have access to my IP address and might be able to figure out that I live in Austin TX! If he knew that, then he might actually threaten to come to Austin and beat me up or something! Oh poo, I just told him where I live!!!! I have to go hide now :( I'm afraid for my life. Seriously. I think my plan is to save up about $150,000 over the next 10 to 20 years so I can afford a downpayment on a new house so I can go into hiding. I think that is a pretty good plan... Yes, I think it will keep me safe for now.

NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
 874 Posts
Sunday, September 05, 2010 1:39:24 PM
Noggin1, you are on AnarchistGod's sh*tlist, whatever will you do???
I plan on making a few replies when I'm in the mood.

Be sure to check back in a few days for some of my replies.

Maybe he hasn't actually gotten around to making the sh*tlist (he'll do it in a few days) and you'll get off easy.

valleybronco
Female, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Sunday, September 05, 2010 11:27:58 AM
well duh! obviously imaginary beings can not create anything.

AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
 894 Posts
Sunday, September 05, 2010 9:58:29 AM
@Noggin01
You're on my sh*tlist.

Noggin01
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 72 Posts
Sunday, September 05, 2010 6:47:42 AM
I reread your argument and I see where you've already challenged what I've written as Toyota would profit. But the fact of the matter is that someone holds a copyright on the music and the whole purpose of the copyright is to keep someone from using it without permission. They do not grant you permission to use it until you pay for it. Part of holding the copyright of anything is that the copyright holder is granted DISTRIBUTION rights. They get to decide who and how it gets distributed. Downloading a copyrighted song from an unauthorized source BREAKS THE TERMS OF DISTRIBUTION. I'd be willing to bend (not break) a bit on the "theft" part of downloading an MP3, but I am not currently willing to bend on the fact that doing so is a breach of distribution terms and 100% illegal.

Noggin01
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 72 Posts
Sunday, September 05, 2010 6:41:21 AM
Uhhh... why did my old post come back? Oh well. And sbeelz, copyright law is NOT stretched thin by music. According to your logic, it would be perfectly reasonable for say Toyota to hop on a boat, walk into Ford's offices, pull out a pen and paper, and copy every bit of Ford's design on the Mustang, go home, and reproduce it all. Toyota didn't "steal" anything, after all, they used their own paper to copy everything down and there is no reason that Toyota should have to use their own money to make their own stuff when it is so much more efficient to just make a duplicate of someone else's work.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Sunday, September 05, 2010 12:00:35 AM
That's not true. Be sure to check back in a few days for some of my replies.


In a few days this thread will be on page 5+ and irrelevant because no-one will be reading it. IAB isn't really a discussion forum because it's too transient. "That's not true" doesn't cut it. I might see your replies, if you make them, and I might have forgotten about this thread by then. It won't matter either way.

AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
 894 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 10:38:55 PM
@Angilion
"September 04, 2010 3:56:07 PM"
That's not true. Be sure to check back in a few days for some of my replies.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12084 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 9:43:42 PM
Angilion, my sentiments exactly. Bravo, and well said sir.


Link_Hiei
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 5190 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 7:24:54 PM
"I'll wait for the movie 'Hawking VS God'."

Money is on Hawking!

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11623 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 3:56:07 PM
davymid: the hardcore religious denouncers of science that I've seen don't care about the stuff like electricity, plastic, glass, and fire... they care about the stuff like atom smashers, big bang, unified theory


I'm not davymid, but I'll give my own answer:

They are still deliberately ignorant hypocrites who are harming society. They are using the benefits of science while trying to put an end to science.

I am including every theist who tries to confuse religion and science. Those who talk about science being a faith. Those who talk about religion having any scientific content, e.g. creationists (including intelligent design advocates - it's just religious creationism with a coating of deceit), and most of all, those who want to put religion in science classes.

Liars. Hypocrites. Parasites. The lot of them.

AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
 894 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 1:18:27 PM
@sbeelz
My understanding of the benefits of a free market has nothing to do with how I define a good thread.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:39:00 PM
@Anarchist God- just like any good conversation, a thread may start in one place and end up somewhere completely different. For an anarchist, you seem to be fairly hung up on rigid structure.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:31:31 PM
Also- I hope that every major record label goes out of business. It will ultimately be good for artists and the overall quality of the music we experience in our every day lives. This idea that somehow consumers would be shooting themselves in the foot if we drive music companies under is nonsense- human beings have been making music longer than we have been using money. There will be music as long as human beings walk the earth.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:28:29 PM
Copyright law is thinly stretching the definition of theft. I believe it IS theft to TAKE CREDIT for someone else's work as one's own (weather or not they actually own the copyright), or to SELL someone else's work or use it commercially without their permission. I believe that is at its root what copyright law is originally about. Copyright law was effectively written by and for copyright holders- and as end users of copyrighted material, we have the right to attempt to change the definition of what is and is not theft. So yes, I believe what I said. I do not allow those who would profit from their own extremely stretched definition of ownership to determine how I define it for myself.

AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
 894 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:28:05 PM
@Noggin01
@sbeelz
You know I thought talking about evolution was a bit off-topic, but now you guys are talking about intellectual property rights.

Noggin01
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 72 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:09:10 PM
davymid: the hardcore religious denouncers of science that I've seen don't care about the stuff like electricity, plastic, glass, and fire... they care about the stuff like atom smashers, big bang, unified theory, and music piracy... wait, I think I'm mixing two different topics...

Noggin01
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 72 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 12:04:57 PM
Holy crap sbeelz, do you really believe what you said is true? It is copyright theft, plain and simple and there is no way around it. Just because you can get something for free (by theft) doesn't mean that you are entitled to it. If you like the music enough that you want it, then you are stealing from the company that is selling it when you download it without paying for it. You are right though, they are not entitled to their profits, but they ARE entitled to being paid when you decide to obtain a piece of copyrighted music. Any belief that what you're doing is morally right and/or legal is based on delusional idiocy.

That being said, I'm not claiming to not have done it myself.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12084 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:23:54 AM
davymid: why are you so aggressive towards people who are religious? "Religious mouthbreathers" And can you explain why a religious person using a computer is so strange?

I'm not, I'm aggressive toward those religious people who denouce science in favour of their particular brand of religion. In fact, I'm like a f*cking rottweiler. I don't find religious people using computers strange, I find religious people who attack science who then use computers strange. Very, very strange indeed.

As I said several posts ago: You're welcome to your religion, but please don't try to derail science. Keep it inside your church.

SunThunder
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 98 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:22:52 AM
Of course Hawking said that, He's an Athiest

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:04:22 AM
Also- if you want to know about God, the creator of our world was kind enough to leave little packets of chemical messages to help you understand the nature of the relationship between matter, mind, and spirit all over the ground every autumn.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Saturday, September 04, 2010 11:00:24 AM
"1. Dislike thieves, but download pirated MP3s"
I would just like to point out that copying is not theft. Most people dislike thieves because it sucks when you have something, and then suddenly don't because someone decided to take it. When I download music, the record company that owns the copyright is deprived of something which was never theirs to begin with: my money. If they want my money, then they need to offer me something I can't download- like a kickass package (I bought Tool's last record instead of downloading it for that very reason). I'm also more than happy to spend my money on tickets for shows and merchandise to support a band. Record companies aren't entitled to their profits- they have to adapt to the market rather than trying to sue the competition out of existence.

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