 Tiger86
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 65 Posts
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Friday, October 15, 2010 9:15:27 PM
Overpopulation contributes to poverty in developing countries. Not every country can provide its own food, and many countries import food from many other countries. But you can't be poor and import all your food, you at least need to be able to sustain yourself without trade, or export something to encourage trade. Improving a country's economy and condition of living will also decrease hunger, so it's every man for himself because no one is going to bail out another country. |
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 Pingas
Male, 13-17, Europe
312 Posts
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Sunday, September 05, 2010 11:39:48 PM
"Wow, zazuch just...Wow. Are you really sure you thought your logic through? What you're basically saying is "Good thing those Nazi's killed 6 million Jews 'cause the world would have had 24 million Jew's if they hadn't". "
You got a problem with that? The world is majorly overpopulated. |
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 zazuch
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
284 Posts
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Friday, September 03, 2010 2:54:50 AM
"Or find a more egalitarian means of distributing the food / wealth that we have. "
There is no good way to distribute food. If you bring food from one place where there is a abundance to another where there is a shortage you will have hunger and over populated ares. So you think bringing more food in will make people less hungry that is a band aid over a big gash that will just make the problem worse. The only true way to end hunger is to force every place to provide there own food. The populace will die off till it reaches its status quo(there is production from the land to provide food for the people who live there). When that is reached then hunger will be over.
We are not above animals and intil we live like animals(ex live with in what the land can with stand) there will be hunger among people. That is the fact. |
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williscool76
Male, 18-29, Europe
2 Posts
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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 1:11:03 PM
@Zazuch
Or find a more egalitarian means of distributing the food / wealth that we have.
I mean, I think population control is a good idea; but through ethical means. Not through a mass cull. No authority on this earth has the right to decide who has the right to life. Adolf learnt that the hard way. |
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zazuch
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
284 Posts
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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:23:43 AM
The problem is that there are to many Africans living in Africa. The land can not support that many people. You take crops from lands like America farm fields or where ever and pump them into Africa all you are doing is making the problem worse due to the population boom you will make. Albeit cruel the best thing to do is to either move them out of Africa or let them die till they get below the population threshold of Africa. |
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zazuch
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
284 Posts
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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 11:21:47 AM
@Simcoe
I just used it as a clear number and its a number of deaths i have a good solid number from war fare causes. But yes i am saying its good in the fact that it drastically lowered the numbers of human mouths to feed for the big picture. But i do not support it in a moral or as in i hate jews and they deserve to die.
You guys complain about the hunger problem i am just pointing out that if it wasn't for war the hunger problem would be much greater then it is now.
The short and sweet of point i was trying to make when i mentioned the holocaust is that albeit war(and the deaths associated) is a nasty and evil thing it is a necessity as it helps control the human population. humans fighting over land is no different then lions fighting over being alpha male then killing the cubs of the former alpha male.
And if you actually think about it hunger will never be fixed it will just be made worse the more you try to fight it. |
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 Simcoe
Male, 30-39, Canada
127 Posts
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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 6:35:58 AM
Wow, zazuch just...Wow. Are you really sure you thought your logic through? What you're basically saying is "Good thing those Nazi's killed 6 million Jews 'cause the world would have had 24 million Jew's if they hadn't".
And for everyone who touts the benefits of war in reducing/curbing the planet's population (ie. Earth's carrying capacity): shame on you. You don't seem to have a problem with innocent people dying as long as it's not happening in your country. |
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zazuch
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
284 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:55:13 PM
you cant fix hunger. You try to feed people then the ones that would have died from starvation live and reproduce more causing more people to be around and more hunger. Its a endless cycle that will eventually make humans meet a maximum threshold that the earth can no longer sustain any more humans then we all starve and die off.
Its a sadistic way to look at it but you think we have hunger today? Image all the people who died in war where alive today? Animal populations grow exponentially(yes humans are animals in the end) Image if the 6 million jews that died in the holocaust where alive. Given two generations that have passed that is roughly 24 million extra mouths that would have need to be fed from 1 war time act. (populations tend to double every generation or so) Now add that from all the wars that have happened and image how many more mouths there would have to be feed.
So again there is no solution to hunger. You try to fix it you will only make it worse. |
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 phoneybone
Male, 18-29, Western US
1750 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:49:52 PM
Thaaaaaank you sarah, thank you soooo much. Exactly what i was thinking. |
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 SarahofBorg
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
3529 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:34:35 PM
Hey, good luck getting fed if you can't even defend yourself from others. |
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williscool76
Male, 18-29, Europe
2 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:12:18 PM
Erm, Wheresmyskul, no. The USA gives most ODA, because of its overall wealth and size. When you take into account the % of Gross Domestic Average, USA comes in at 19. Above it is Canada, Australia, and the rest are European countries.
Donation per citizen, which is what you were talking about, the USA comes ninth, right behind the UK, at 14 dollars per head on average.
So... No. Just no.
I'm not blaming the USA for the worlds problems, I mean, your country's too young to be THAT influential in the grand scheme of things, but you guys certainly aren't the solution. |
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N-Vet
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
95 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:10:50 PM
You can also make diesel from algae which can be used to scrub flue gasses form fossil fuel power plants... |
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 hatface
Male, 18-29, Europe
614 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:09:39 PM
I don't agree that purely money can solve the worlds hunger problems. Its been almost a trillion dollars of aid pumped into Africa and its got worse |
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wheresmyskul
Male, 40-49, Western US
248 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 12:00:09 PM
@Earl Grey: I agree...even if those numbers are wrong...it is sad as drat. |
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 AntiCool88
Female, 18-29, Asia
430 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:44:15 AM
it's more than the income of my country in a year... |
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 Earl_Grey
Female, 18-29, Canada
131 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:10:53 AM
@wheresmyskul
yeah, but this is still sad as drat. |
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 MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
2221 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:08:02 AM
Can't fix hunger that easily. Not without controlling population. War's good for that.
Yay - go war. |
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wheresmyskul
Male, 40-49, Western US
248 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:52:43 AM
The United States does more than any other nation to feed the poor. And before those of you who don't know anything about it speak, I'm talking about charities, not the U.S. government. We are the most generous people per capita ON EARTH. We have our flaws (which most of our European friends in IAB like to point out), but we're a gracious folk (again, there are exceptions to the rule).
As for the military--why does ANY nation need a military? Because peace, love, flowers, and pacifism will NOT repel those who do not believe in freedom for the common man. There are those in this world, who will always be here, who seek to subjugate you and me. Freedom does not come naturally to mankind. It can only survive with our constant vigilance against those who think that governments need to makes subjects out of its citizens. This post relies on a "pie-in-the-sky" idealism that cannot be reached. Poverty and hunger exist. In the meantime, nations need their military if they wi |
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 SpaceRanger
Male, 30-39, Western US
102 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:41:54 AM
Fine, spend less on paying for military equipment and personel that keep you safe from the bad guys. Remember that you have your freedoms for a reason. and if you dont like how your freedom is given to you then start a protest or something and get the military to dismantle and prepare for slavery. |
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 bored-am-I
Male, 30-39, Europe
783 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:47:40 AM
@AntEconomist
Your name wouldn'd happen to be AntiEconomist?
If we agree that:
1 billion = 1 000 000 000
1 trillion = 1 000 000 000 000
and that 365:8 = 45,625 (it says every eigth day, not every day)
You will find that that:
30 billion x 45,625 = 1 368 750 000 000 (1,36875 trillion)
Which is not so far off the right estimates. If the military spendings are higher than that - it just the point of the post even more f...ed up.
Back to school U go! |
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 idiotfilter
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3934 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:30:14 AM
lol intaresting... |
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donjobs
Male, 18-29, Canada
67 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:29:32 AM
AntEconomist, re-read the post and redo your math. Not one thing that you posted makes any sense. |
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DJL
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
135 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:03:11 AM
@xXamwxxXx. No more needs to be said. |
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 AntEconomist
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
172 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59:33 AM
False. The US spends around $1 trillion *annually* on its military (and that counts not just department of defense but "related" expenses). The rest of the world combined spends about as much as the US, that puts the world at $3 trillion annually -- call it $5 trillion to be generous. $30 billion per day comes to $11 trillion per year -- not even close. |
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Nodroger
Male, 18-29, Australia
34 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:18:57 AM
feed the homeless to the hungry :D |
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