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 jeffcomedy
Male, 30-39, Western US
 179 Posts
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Thursday, September 30, 2010 12:22:07 PM
I found this question so interesting that I actually took the time to research it. Unfortunately it's a little bit of a gray area. While the photographer DOES have the right to video the girl because she has no expectation of privacy, she does have the expectation not to be sexually harrassed. I.E. Goober King had purposely moved to be behind her as she is bent over and waiting for, I assume, to raise her leg and get a crotch shot.
It's a gray area because while there are laws against "up-skirt" shots, she is raising her leg to make the shot possible. But she is doing it doing a ballet dance move, not a provocative move in public.
It was fascinating to find out that if you're out in public someone can still photograph you (or your child) after you tell them to stop. But notice the Mom said, "Don't take a photo of her butt!" not HER. So I really do think it becomes an issue of sexual harrasment, since he put up an argument and MOVED to get tha |
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jeffcomedy
Male, 30-39, Western US
179 Posts
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Monday, September 06, 2010 9:54:34 PM
I found this question so interesting that I actually took the time to research it. Unfortunately it's a little bit of a gray area. While the photographer DOES have the right to video the girl because she has no expectation of privacy, she does have the expectation not to be sexually harrassed. I.E. Goober King had purposely moved to be behind her as she is bent over and waiting for, I assume, to raise her leg and get a crotch shot.
It's a gray area because while there are laws against "up-skirt" shots, she is raising her leg to make the shot possible. But she is doing it doing a ballet dance move, not a provocative move in public.
It was fascinating to find out that if you're out in public someone can still photograph you (or your child) after you tell them to stop. But notice the Mom said, "Don't take a photo of her butt!" not HER. So I really do think it becomes an issue of sexual harrasment, since he put up an argument and MOVED to get tha |
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 CmdrBittles
Female, 18-29, Canada
1182 Posts
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Saturday, September 04, 2010 4:26:36 PM
Yeah, it's creepy what that guy is doing, but she is out in public doing leg lifts and spreading it out there, job or not. If they did not want to be seen/filmed/photographed they should have done this on a closed set and used photoshop. Sorry, but you're in public. Too bad. |
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 fishgul69
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
917 Posts
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Saturday, September 04, 2010 10:24:47 AM
ryanwi, the model was obviously creeped out by it. although I am surprised she didn't say something (or the photographer for that matter, he kept directing her). at the same time, if the vid guy had the right to shoot her, then everyone else who told him not to shoot her butt/crotch were also within their rights to do so. as jeffcomedy already stated, the older woman told him not to take a vid of her butt, not necessarily the model herself. on a courtesy note, the guy didn't have to be a dick about it, I'm sure he has access to plenty of porn at home, why go through the trouble? |
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 Wizard77
Male, 40-49, Western US
582 Posts
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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 10:51:37 AM
So according to a majority of poster on this thread,
Violence against women = Crime
Violence against men = Justice / funny / reparations for perceived wrongs of the past or nature. |
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 aseirinn
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
879 Posts
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Wednesday, September 01, 2010 2:23:14 AM
cycle couriers- i have bike/uniform/therefore i own the streets man...protectors of the city streets, arseholes! |
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 ryanwi
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
66 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:05:31 PM
@jeffcomedy
Sexual Harrassment in a public place isn't illegal. It's only illegal in the workplace. In public it is protected speech. Same as racism. I can't go to work and put up a sign that says "I hate blacks." I am fully free to walk up and down the street with one though. If she has an "expectation of not being sexually harrassed" while posing like that on a public sidewalk in a US city, she's an idiot. Any hottie who's walked by a group of construction workers can tell you that.
Upskirt photos are illegal because physically sticking your head down there and looking is also illegal. If what this guy is doing is illegal, than everyone who so much as looked at her would also be breaking the law.
This guy might be creepy, but being offensive to someone isn't against the law in this country. |
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 Ninabear3
Female, 18-29, Southern US
93 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:30:17 PM
fuc.kin perv.
the dude is annoying and someone needs to junk punch him |
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jeffcomedy
Male, 30-39, Western US
179 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 3:51:46 PM
I found this question so interesting that I actually took the time to research it. Unfortunately it's a little bit of a gray area. While the photographer DOES have the right to video the girl because she has no expectation of privacy, she does have the expectation not to be sexually harrassed. I.E. Goober King had purposely moved to be behind her as she is bent over and waiting for, I assume, to raise her leg and get a crotch shot.
It's a gray area because while there are laws against "up-skirt" shots, she is raising her leg to make the shot possible. But she is doing it doing a ballet dance move, not a provocative move in public.
It was fascinating to find out that if you're out in public someone can still photograph you (or your child) after you tell them to stop. But notice the Mom said, "Don't take a photo of her butt!" not HER. So I really do think it becomes an issue of sexual harrasment, since he put up an argument and MOVED to get tha |
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wheresmyskul
Male, 40-49, Western US
248 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:16:49 PM
Wizard77 has it right...everyone else just calm down. |
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deadbass72
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
166 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 7:24:38 AM
if you don't want other people to take pictures then on't pose in public
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 iiiihatejmac
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
480 Posts
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Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:45:17 AM
i wanna see this douchebags face
fuc.kin creep. |
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Wizard77
Male, 40-49, Western US
582 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 10:18:54 PM
You would have a very hard time getting any DA to buy that argument. 1) She was in no way approached by this guy. He was in the crowd like a dozen other people. 2) Without the camera he would just be another bystander. 3)If she was feeling threatened, a camera could not be argued to be threatening by virtue of its presence. She was not for example, threatened by the photographer she knew OR other bystanders.
She CHOSE to do this in public and had no reasonable expectation of privacy. As for her "being left alone" while in public; the law says (at least in the USA) one can not expect privacy or to be left alone when in a public area. PERIOD!
I know you don't like the guy or what he is doing and that is understandable. But someone being "icky" isn't legal ground to stand on. Attempting to shoe-horn his actions into something illegal or trying to stretch what is on camera into a threat is irrational. |
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 KMeatPiLover
Female, 18-29, Canada
130 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 9:09:34 PM
@Wizard77
When did he start harrassing her? Seriously?
You even provided the definition yourself
"Harassment (engaging in intentional conduct which the actor [harasser] knows would cause the victim, to feel frightened, threatened, oppressed, persecuted, or intimidated)"
When he started filming her butt and she asked him to stop because she obviously felt THREATENED and FRIGHTENED by his predatory behavior. That's when he started harrassing her.
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 lukenhiumur
Male, 13-17, Western US
80 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 8:36:22 PM
Goober! Ya freakin Goober! |
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 Ruffiana
Male, 30-39, Western US
508 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 8:36:04 PM
What's the difference between filming and just looking...cause I'd probably be gazing at her ass if I were there. |
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Wizard77
Male, 40-49, Western US
582 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 7:04:24 PM
"...if she was under 18 then these people had every right..."
Not really. Under 18 or not this guy wasnt breaking the law. |
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 madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
6406 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 6:28:19 PM
I saw this on digg, and they said she just stretching, I believe. I know they said nothing about her being a model.
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So she brings a chair out into the street so she can stretch? That's kinda weird. |
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derf87
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
21 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 6:19:46 PM
I can see how someone might take offense to that, but who knows what was happening before the video was cut into her ass...though it does seem like he is taping her ass...so who knows but him and the people around. It still doesn't give people the right to become complete douch-holes especially the named goober in this video. At the same time... if she was under 18 then these people had every right.. |
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Wizard77
Male, 40-49, Western US
582 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 5:44:00 PM
I see the phrase "she has a right to not be harassed" or close to it from several posters both male and female. My question is, at what point did he harass this chick? He was filming her and apparently she (and a few others) didn't want him to. But he didn't initiate unwanted touching, invasion of personal space, rude, intimidating or threatening comments, or initiate distracting behavior. As a matter of fact he didn't address her at all.
Look, the guy was being creepy. That is a given by and large. But that isn't against the law in any way, and as soon as we start deciding that someone shouldn't be allowed to do something because they are fat, ugly, old, play WoW or simply because we don't want them to; we may as well throw in the towel on freedom altogether. Removing liberty for one is removing liberty for all. |
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Lobotomy
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
495 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 5:11:14 PM
I get that its legal and all to film her, but that doesnt mean that he should. I mean she asked him not too, that should kinda be enough. |
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 mikallang
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
615 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 4:39:04 PM
@JeffBeau you too, are a mess. |
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 ledouxrt
Male, 30-39, Western US
275 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 4:36:07 PM
Why's she performing without a tutu anyways? |
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mikallang
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
615 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 4:32:19 PM
ugh! all these idiots suffering from wks. yes, she IS displaying herself in public. shes there doing whatever and its in front of people. how is this harassment? hes filming. not yelling. not trying to feel her up. just filming. people in public shouldnt have an expectation of privacy. period. thats how its always been. then the c*nt patrol comes out TELLING him that he's filming soft porn. kmeat....you are a mess. |
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JeffBeau
Male, 30-39, Southern US
180 Posts
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Monday, August 30, 2010 3:02:37 PM
What a slimeball. The girl is not "displaying herself in public", she's (evidently) doing a paid photoshoot.
The photographer should have provided a couple of "bouncers" and the model should have demanded it in the contract. |
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