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Growing Number of Prosecutions for Recordings Cops

Hits: 17971 | Rating: (2.9) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: goaliejerry
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xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2419 Posts
Monday, August 09, 2010 6:46:10 PM
Silly citizens. Only the government is allowed to wiretap.

manorrd
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3000 Posts
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:08:34 PM
So, are there growing prosecutions when people video tape a cop, say, helping a little old lady cross the street? Of course not. But catch them pulling a Rodney King and posting it on Youtube...

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 593 Posts
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:58:36 AM
>>>The issue is that you don't know if the person you're stopping knows how to resolve situations without force or what the situation actually is. <<<

So what. By your argument cops should walk around with an M-16 loaded and ready. I mean you never know when you might run into someone that you need to put down before they touch you.

Police signed up for the job. A dangerous, scary, never know what the h//l will happen or if I die today job. I have great respect for them but they knew the risks when they joined. They do not get to use the risks as excuses for bad behavior later.

dang007
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 593 Posts
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:53:23 AM
>>>Lay persons will not understand the methods. <<<


BS

GosuPaul
Male, 18-29, Western US
 517 Posts
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 3:17:00 AM
I agree, this is definitely an issue. Especially since lots of times in court, it's word against word when it comes to less prominent police activity like a traffic stop or upholding of a smaller crime. When it's a police officer's word vs a teenager's (skate videos), a speeding motorcyclist, or even, dare I say, a minority, the police officer's usually going to be believed.

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

Or, more commonly known.

"Who will watch the watchmen?"

If we can't videotape, record, or surveil our policemen, what will keep them in check?

Plato believed their values and morals would. Plato, clearly, wasn't from around here.

In a place where protection and duty is worth only as much as a paycheck, we really can't count on that.

Power to the people baby. =)

66stang
Male, 18-29, Western US
 226 Posts
Tuesday, July 27, 2010 1:50:43 AM
One thing I've always done when getting pulled over is try to find an ATM or gas station. These almost always have cameras, and since you are not in control of them the police can not say anything. Also you are not required to pull over until you feel safe. I drove over a mile with my flashers on til I came up to an Atm, the officer was pissed til I explained myself and he realized I knew enough about the law to not mess with me.

jib
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 11:17:43 PM
Znaught has a point, the more responsibility you give to the government the more power you give them. You can slowly let them take care of things like healthcare, but THEY control the better part of it, what you can and cannot have and stuff

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11548 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 9:46:36 PM
Give me an example of a large government that has NOT had draconian laws/strict control over its people.


It's possible to argue the Republic of Rome as an example of that, but it's a bit of a stretch because to a large extent the government was the people. They bent over backwards to make it that way, absolutely obsessing over the idea of stopping anyone getting too much power and opening power to the citizens in general. Random example - a person elected to the position of tribinus plebis had to leave his home open (literally open - he was forbidden to close the door) so that any citizen at any time could raise a political issue with him.

green_batman
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 730 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 9:36:04 PM
The problem I have with this is the double standard. I'm a Maryland resident and I can tell you that there are still security cameras here. There may be a sign posted somewhere where you may or may not be able to see it before you come within range of the camera, but the fact that there are surveillance cameras means that they are technically breaking this law. Yet when the average citizen breaks this law, particularly pertaining to the police, it's suddenly a serious offense. I think that people should expect to be taped whenever they are in public because a public place is implicitly a place where others can see you. So I don't agree with the law in the first place, but if they're going to pass the law, they need to enforce it across the board.

Fatninja01
Male, 18-29, Australia
 24662 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 8:52:36 PM
that was silly!

bombaytech
Male, 18-29, Western US
 151 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 7:31:41 PM
So stop drating with them.

ParasyT
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 531 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 6:50:48 PM
What the drat, did Skwissgaar Skwigelf write the title for this link?

ElMustache
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1622 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 6:41:54 PM
Znaught: Costa rica, switzerland, finland. Shall I continue? I'm sending you a protective helmet, it sounds like you need it.

ZNaught
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 351 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 5:56:51 PM
@catbarf: When it is the job of the government to provide everything for you, you provide the government far too much power. If you want a large government that provides for you, expect that it will also invade into your lives. That is what big government does. Give me an example of a large government that has NOT had draconian laws/strict control over its people.

catbarf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1314 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 4:54:59 PM
'SOrry, they don't exactly go together.'

Please, draw a connection between economic models and personal privacy. I'd love to see you drag the retardation further.

ElMustache
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1622 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 4:27:49 PM
HST was so right. We're the doomed.

ZNaught
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 351 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 3:59:46 PM
You all support socialist programs, but you are so against a police state? I am confused. You want the government to provide everything for you, but you want freedom? SOrry, they don't exactly go together.

npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
 603 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 3:54:35 PM
So what about suing for cop misconduct? If video evidence is not allowed all you have is eye witness testimony. Are they going to make witnessing cop activities illegal too?

jib
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 3:53:08 PM
It's not really the fact that the cop pulled out his gun, it's that the guy is getting into additional trouble just beacause he filmed the cop

IamBored29
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 647 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 3:30:45 PM
No problem with the cop drawing his weapon, as the bike was rolling backwards, he didnt know the guy wasnt going to take off again.

My problem is with RAIDING his parents home to confiscate the computer, camera etc...This used to America, Now its the United States of The Patriot Act. Welcome to the Police State. Resistance is Futile

Kalimata
Male, 30-39, Canada
 660 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 3:08:22 PM
This kind of stuff scares the crap out of me, it really does. People being arrested for video taping the police.

I'll be the first to admit, the video camera shows only one perspective, and it can lie. I'll also admit that proper procedures and "take-downs" can look like very violent or too violent when they are designed to be the absolute safest not only for police, but for the suspect. Lay persons will not understand the methods.

What is scary is that American citizens are not completely up in arms over this insane suppression of your rights.. Not just this law in particular, but the fact that it is just one more in a frightening string of laws and events that are being allowed to occur.

IMHO, the DUTY of every citizen is to actively question the actions and morals of their government, and to make sure that the rights and freedoms that men and women have died to defend are upheld. Am I wrong when I say that this doesn't seem to be happening

jimistik82
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 75 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 3:06:01 PM
90 pct. of cops in u.s get cop jobs via veteran preferance program started during vietnam war. sign your name on civil service test and regardless of ur score you get the job..problem in u.s is ptsd troops from afghan and iraq get home + go thru 6 month cop academy then hit the streets..problem is they forget it's an american door they are kikin in..big problem here these days

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11548 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 2:23:09 PM
OK...I don't consent to being filmed walking around town. So I can prosecute the local council for wiretapping, right? They're got cameras all over the place.

Why is that different?

I know this article is about the USA, but we have the same issue here in the UK.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11548 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 2:18:53 PM
He's speeding aaaaaahhh!! D: get the bloody gun, I don't know how to resolve situations without force!


The issue is that you don't know if the person you're stopping knows how to resolve situations without force or what the situation actually is.

There are no end of cases in which a person with something far more seriously illegal going on is pulled over on a traffic offence. You'd think that someone wanted for murder somewhere else or someone carrying a kilo of coke, or whatever, would be very careful indeed to obey traffic laws, but that's not always the case. Violent criminals often have trouble controlling their impulses.

Billy62
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 152 Posts
Monday, July 26, 2010 2:09:53 PM
"Should the officer have a gun drawn? Absolutely. Years of evidence prove this."

According to the article you linked to, the guy still handled it wrong:

"...officers should sit in their cruisers for cover with one leg out the door, guns drawn."

No where does it say to go charging right at the suspect with a drawn gun. Wouldn't that just make the more dangerous suspects panic, anyway? And this is for "high-risk" traffic stops; I think more reasonable officers would have considered a guy speeding and doing tricks on a motorcycle to be an "unknown" traffic stop.

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