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Mexico Jumps On Board, Also Sues Arizona

Hits: 18625 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: Gerry1of1
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Suicism
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3672 Posts
Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:35:20 AM
F*ck you, Mexico! Give your people a reason to stay there - or don't; then maybe one day it will be a nice place to live.

Weakmonkey
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 190 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:58:52 PM
When your government is too inept to handle its true issues, let the courts make all the important decisions!

nrg70
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 121 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:30:03 PM
I don't know why so many people have a problem with one of our states standing up for itself and wanting to discourage illegal immigration. I don't understand why illegals try to make an issue about Arizona anyway when they are here illegally, which shows an obvious disrespect for our laws. Illegal aliens go eff yourselves. If you want a have a country that you can live in and have jobs, healthcare etc... Then band together and make changes in your own country. Become involved in your own political system, help stop crime and be responsible for your own social problems, be the solution not the problem! DON'T COME HERE AND BURDEN U.S. TAXPAYERS BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF AMBITION!!

qwyrxian
Male, 30-39, Asia
 74 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 2:58:36 PM
Huh...reading skillz is tech. Filing a brief does not equal filing a lawsuit.

Loveabye
Female, 18-29, Western US
 164 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:19:56 PM
Too bad... they're illegal.

kilroy5555
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 503 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:31:22 PM
To say nothing of Mexico's utter hypocrisy here, they have no standing. NEXT!

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:33:52 AM

Mexico is not suing Arizona. Jesus gave up; I am too.

JeffBeau
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 180 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:24:27 AM
Amendment 11: The US judicial system cannot try or conduct a suit brought against a state by a foreign state.

So, where will they file this suit? There is no judicial system outside the U.S. that has any power over Arizona or any other state ... not yet anyway.

While we're at it: Article 4, Sec. 4 "The U.S. ... shall protect each of them [states] against Invasion ..."

Well, so far we're up to at least 4 violations of the constitution by this administration & congress.

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:28:41 AM
[sarcasm] I rather enjoy debating issues of national importance and educating others via an online forum where my already nonexistent clout is rendered even more meaningless. I find it both productive and entertaining. By educating others through this medium I am making an invaluable contribution.[/sarcasm]

So why do I do it? Eh, it passes the time.


Chaos7
Male, 18-29, Western US
 844 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:12:35 AM
-]:{) They be trrrrrrollin'

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:04:29 AM
of course neither option stands a chance.

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 10:03:28 AM
whoops. - an independent republic before joining the union in 1845, could not secede unilaterally. They went on to acknowledge secession by mutual agreement or rebellion as an entirely different matter.
So, if Arizona would like to declare its independence from USA or if the USA agrees Arizona can leave, it may secede.

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:52:54 AM
@auburnjunky
I apologize if this sounds offensive, as no offense is intended, but have you read the constitution lately? Here is a link . If you challenge the validity of transferred text, you can also read it through photos of the constitution. If you decry "shopped!" I can't help you, you are beyond my grasp.
Greater minds than mine have argued both sides to this argument (secession), but the constitution does not explicitely give states the right to secede nor does it deny that right. Article VII is often cited as the reason for implied ability to secede. One could also argue the 10th admendment gives states the right to secede because any power not given to the federal government is reserved for the states or the citizens.
Of course the US Supreme Court ruled in the case Texas vs. White back in 1860 that even Texas, an independent republi

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:38:37 AM
goaliejerry: Yeah, because if there is ONE THING American history has told us is that Cops lack the ability to abuse unbridled power.


GJ, We have civilian police boards and a lot of other 'bridles' on the police as is. This is the 21st century not the 19th century. Why do you think that anytime a policeman discharges a weapon or gets involved in anything controversial he is put behind a desk or put on leave until a civilian review is done ?

Also what 'Evidence' do you claim to have that the law is racist ? Does it mention hispanics or mexicans ? No. Does it mention any race at all ? No. Has anyone even been arrested under this law yet ? No. (It doesn't go into effect until the 29th)

You've clearly allowed fear to cloud your reason here.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:33:47 AM
States aren's soverign. That was the idea but when some tried to secede we found out what happened didn't we. The were forced back into line by military force.

States are self-governing, NOT soverign.
It's like a principality under an emperor.

OHHHHh! that reminds me of a line from a movie!

"The Regional Governors will have direct control over their territories."

haha... oh, wait. I've gotten sidetracked haven't I

pmarren
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 4412 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:29:27 AM
Mexico can go f#ck itself.

goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:25:33 AM
"There are carefully laid out steps and guidelines the cops have to use before they can ask for proof of legal citizenship."

Yeah, because if there is ONE THING American history has told us is that Cops lack the ability to abuse unbridled power.

goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:24:08 AM
"This law has existed for years and no one said it's racist"

Repeating this over and over again, while ignoring clear contrary evidence, suggests closed-mindedness or self-delusion. The law creates NEW state immigration laws. It is NOT just a mirror of federal regulations.

But never mind, just keep repeating to yourself, "This law has existed for years and no one said it's racist," "This law has existed for years and no one said it's racist," "This law has existed for years and no one said it's racist."

Wow, its MORE true than it was before because I said it three times!

goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 9:12:32 AM
" how come the constitution says we can secede at any time and for any reason?"

lol, show me the "secede" clause please. You say silly things sometimes, but can you imagine if what you said was actually true?

Oh, and some of you are making a CRAZY argument that the Arizona law is just like Mexico's, as if that is a good thing, as if mimicking the law of a backwards, third-world country with immense poverty and political corruption is a GOOD thing to do in AMERICA, land of the FREE.

And the states ARE individual Sovereigns who voluntarily ceded some of their sovereignty to the federal government, SUCH AS POWER OVER IMMIGRATION.

You can't "lose" something you willingly gave up, and then cry like a whiny bitch school girl when the Feds hold you to the original deal.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 10157 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:44:33 AM
@fuego:

LOL! I was chomping at the bit sir hahaha.

Also, if the states aren't sovereign, how come the constitution says we can secede at any time and for any reason? (This is not a civil war debate.)

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:08:23 AM
before anyone jumps my ass, I realize it was signed into law back in April, but it doesn't go into effect until the 29th of this month.

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:03:53 AM
Personally, I don't take exception to AZ's SB 1070 for legality. I understand and commiserate with their frustation over the federal government perpetually failing to uphold and diligently enforce federal immigration law, but I hope for their sake that it doesn't become a law, though. I think AZ's opening up a whole can of worms they hadn't considered.

Gerry1of1
Male, 50-59, Western US
 33911 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 8:00:00 AM
This law has existed for years and no one said it's racist. Federal Imigration Regulations. Now that someone is gonna enforce it it's all chest beating and shouts of racism.

Anyone here legally will have no troubles in Arizona. They have a large hispanic population and the cops are already trained not to do racial profiling. There are carefully laid out steps and guidelines the cops have to use before they can ask for proof of legal citizenship.


McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 13518 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:39:26 AM
Can we then sue Mexico for all of the immigrants who come here that refuse to obey the laws?

Fuego
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1292 Posts
Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:33:37 AM
Well, the sovereignty lies in the collective really, not solely the federal government. At any rate, individual states are not sovereign which was my original argument.

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