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I-A-B Poll: Arizona Immigration Law: Yay or Nay

Hits: 19182 | Rating: (2.8) | Category: Community & Lifestyle | Added by: fancylad
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Female, 30-39, Southern US
 74 Posts
Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:13:22 PM
@silverthreaed You must obviously not need to have the Governments help or you would have voted otherwise. i am not saying I would not be ashamed to accept the help, but when my daughter came down with a staph infection that required surgery and being told I don't qualify for help because I make$24,000 a year for 3 people and have to pay out of my pocket, thus meaning Ramen drating noodles for a month,because ILLEGAL immigrants get the money I am somewhat put out. I know improper English and run on sentence. I don't care.

Female, 30-39, Southern US
 74 Posts
Thursday, August 26, 2010 12:09:35 PM
I am against it. we are spending almost 46 billion on illegal immigrants who send half their wages home, yet I who am a citizen who makes below the poverty level in pay am struggling to support my kids, cannot qualify for benefits. My kids and I have been without health insurance for 4 years. if you wanna come here be a citizen and THEN you should get benefits. Anyone who questions this email me and I shall provide you data with the sources. cardwell.dawn@yahoo.com

Male, 13-17, Western US
 80 Posts
Sunday, July 18, 2010 11:17:36 PM
that poo's drated up

Male, 30-39, Western US
 3445 Posts
Sunday, July 18, 2010 3:38:18 PM
I vote yes, but I also figure that if the Federal Government isn't taking a more active role, (Which they don't appear to be) then it will have to be settled at a lower level.

Better this than to have armed militias patrolling the border without a consideration for the rule of law.

Female, 50-59, Southern US
 3614 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:31:58 PM
put the employers in JAIL, don't just fine them.

when i got my present job i had to show driver's license, social security card, and also court papers proving my name change. obviously in the case of illegals none of this is happening.

put the waltons (of wal-mart) and the tysons (of tyson foods) in PRISON, real PRISON, for an extended period of time as they are the some of the biggest violators of the law, at least in my area of the country.

if the jobs dry up there's very little incentive for people to be here illegally. its wrong for these big companies (or anyone, for that matter) to get away with exploiting these people for their own financial gains.

eliminate corporate evil and help solve the multi-faceted social problem.

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 223 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:05:02 PM
Im hoping for a Civil War so we can start killing each other.

Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 45 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 11:28:47 AM
they dont even pay taxes. thats my only beef.

Male, 50-59, Western US
 34619 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:25:43 AM
Agreed, AZ's law {and in the states that follow} will not solve the problem. But it is a first step towards solving a problem that the Federal Government {Republican and Democrat} has not just ignored but even encouraged to grow.

It's a start to a solution.

This is the people of AZ saying "I'M MAD AS HELL AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE IT ANYMORE"

Trite but true

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 10:12:30 AM
For the record; Taylor Stone said (although I am paraphrasing:)

"I agree with a DickenMcHunt..."

Taylor Stone is gay. He wants a boomstick in his juice crevice.

Joking aside, I believe that argument is really the only legitimate argument. Immigration is a broken system, but the irrational response is not an accurate response. Doing what we would like is not necessarily what we should do. If we examine the facts the problem isn't going to be solved by this bill, so why bother? Before this bill was passed Lindsey Graham was leading a bi-partisan committee to deal with immigration, this comes out of left field after Arizona outlaws cultural learning classes (namely Spanish Culture and History classes,) after an Law Official (not in Arizona) shoots and kills a Mexican child ACROSS THE BORDER; is it really any wonder why racism was brought into the mix. This law is incendiary and ineffective, it should be killed and reworked into something WORTHWHILE fo

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 2705 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 9:23:48 AM
I have to agree with DickenMcHunt. The major issue with this bill, at least for me, was always that it was an ineffective solution to an issue that isn't the bulk of the problem. Its like trying to sabotage a car by cutting the A/C. Sure you made the ride less comfortable, but the car can still get you to your destination.

And blaming the Mexicans for taking your job is wrong too. Blame the companies that are willing to hire them. Companies are always looking for cheap labor over domestic labor... Its all about money. If they were to make it less profitable to hire illegal immigrants, there'd be less of a problem. (i.e. major tax incentives for keeping domestic employees, major fines for hiring illegals) Make businesses have to produce evidence of all their employees every year and have them checked on randomly.

Male, 50-59, Eastern US
 1004 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:49:33 AM
Why is the ID carry law being called new when even resident aliens (green card holders) are required to carry their card at all times?

"The Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551, is issued to all Permanent Residents as evidence of alien registration and their Permanent status in the US. The card must be in your possession at all times."

Male, 50-59, Western US
 34619 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:48:02 AM
"rally them together and re-form the union "

a union of unemployed people? how exactly do you go out on strike ?

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:20:44 AM
I haven't seen a SINGLE ISSUE that this bill will solve. Never mind if it's constitutional, if it's legal, or if it's racist. How about we ask: "Is it it going to do anything?"

The answer is: "F**k. No."

So instead of doing political ballet to satisfy perceptions and skirting around the real issues, how about we focus on REAL solutions, that will have REAL and MEASURABLE impacts on America and the economy.

We've got lobbyists as legislators, we have conglomerates that control majority market shares of the cigarettes we buy AND the cereal we get our kids, AND the lunch meat we bring to the factory where we manufacture the Tupperware container that we brought our lunch to work in (Altria.)

This law is a joke on every level. It's NOT an effective way of dealing with the immigration issue (which IS an issue and Gerry is not a racist for thinking so, fags) yet does so in a way that is utterly retarded...

I really hope America

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:11:37 AM
solve all the problems this stupid bill is trying to solve AND MORE.

We're swatting flies and we've got a rat infestation. Lets look at REAL problems. Anti trust laws have been ignored for the past 50 years. Deregulation has crippled consumer protection and job security. American primary education is the worst among major global economies. This bill is non-enforceable, possibly in violation of constitutional law, possibly in conflict or superseded by federal law and it doesn't even do a good job of fixing the problem it's trying to stunt.

Instead of having cops enforce it, have businesses enforce it and if they get caught hiring illegals deport 'em, fine the company and raise their taxes. I already have to present my birth certificate, drivers license and passport- what's proof of citizenship?

We definitely have a mess in America, but illegals are the powdered sugar, not the pastry. We have MUCH, MUCH bigger, more fundamental issues that are causing what ille

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1140 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 8:02:52 AM
"But I'll tell everyone from the packing plant who's unemployed now that you said they should enjoy this rich lifestyle illegals have brought to them."

Instead, how about you rally them together and re-form the union that protected their jobs. Big Business devastated the union system, thus destroying the American Industrial worker. Mad at Mexicans? Get mad at Wal-Mart, instead. Get mad at the fagtwats that bypassed Truman's veto to pass Taft-Hartley. Get mad at the fact that the American government cares more about American Businesses than American People.

Mexicans didn't f**k you, Mexicans AREN'T the ones f**king you; they're a false problem. A bigger issue is enforcing LEGAL employment. If all businesses had to prove citizenship, they couldn't get jobs. Unionizing labor workforces would assure job security. Raising taxes on corporations and the top 5% of Americans, lowering them on small businesses and the other 95% and eliminating capital gains tax would

Male, 50-59, Western US
 34619 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 6:58:57 AM
"boldly ignores federal control over immigration "

If the Feds had exercised any control we would not all be talking about this.

They refused to act for over 30 years. I'd say they Abandoned their responsibility and the states are picking up their mess.

Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 879 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 4:07:54 AM
...yere gonna need yet more privately run prisons to house em all...Half of the US will be locked up the other half will have a prison job connected with it...problem/solution...

Female, 18-29, Southern US
 93 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:35:35 AM
if you want to kick out illegals go right ahead... but don't complain when no one wants to do their dirty jobs and everything goes to s*it

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:31:54 AM
Helps me relax in a strange way...

Male, 50-59, Western US
 2402 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:24:08 AM
Gee whiz. Somebody has a sh**load to get off their chest.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 1:04:23 AM
"the Law in AZ is a copy of the federal law."

It deserves repeating that this is BLATANTLY FALSE. Not just arguably, or maybe, or "thats just what Democrats say," but demonstrably false. I JUST SHOWED YOU how it creates a brand new state crime, a crime that would be entirely unnecessary if the law was in fact a "copy."

No, now Arizona can prosecute immigrants (LEGAL IMMIGRANTS, mind you!!!!!) for being immigrants under state law. People aren't talking about this aspect - I didn't realize it until just now, but its even more of an intrusion into federal policy. It boldly ignores federal control over immigration and will throw LEGAL IMMIGRANTS in jail under STATE LAW for not carrying their papers.

I repeat it because I know how right-wing talking points spread under the radar, and I see several of you repeating this blatant falsehood.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:40:51 AM
"When the national government by treaty or statute has established rules and regulations touching the rights, privileges, obligations or burdens of aliens as such, the treaty or statute is the supreme law of the land. No state can ADD to or TAKE FROM the force and effect of such treaty or statute." Hines v. Davidowitz, 312 U.S. 52 (1941).

The POLICY for this is to avoid a patchwork of laws in a field where national uniformity is required. Arizona has criminalized "willfully" failing to either register or carry immigration documents. The Feds have their own regulations regarding immigration documentation, and their own penalties, and are solely responsible for criminalizing failure to comply with immigration ID requirements. Arizona cannot make up its OWN immigration law.

Its not hard to understand, its just hard for people who don't agree to accept that they can't always legally do whatever the hell they please.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:33:40 AM
*pull resources from solving murders, rapes, etc.

That is why an ARIZONA SHERIFF has sued to block the law.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:33:07 AM
Here is an example of the law's impermissible, direct regulation of immigration. The law specifically created a NEW STATE MISDEMEANOR based on failure to carry ID. NOT "just a copy," no, new STATE IMMIGRATION CRIME:

"creates a new misdemeanor offense for the willful failure to complete or carry an immigrant registration document under certain circumstances"


Just because the preamble says it doesn't intend to conflict with federal law doesn't matter. The preamble has no legal effect, and as easily shown, the law does more than that.

Even more radical, it ALLOWS a citizen to SUE THE POLICE to FORCE them to fight immigration. People don't realize how ridiculous this is. Arizona Sheriffs can be FORCED to drop everything and enforce immigration laws, even if it means they have to pull resources from

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Saturday, July 17, 2010 12:12:07 AM
"the Law in AZ is a copy of the federal law."

Say that all you like, repeating it doesn't make it true. Federal law contains NO COROLLARY of the "reasonable suspicion" aspect of the law.

And if its just a "copy," then why was it passed at all? The state could have just enforced federal law.

NO - SERIOUSLY - IF THAT IS YOUR ARGUMENT, don't you see that it makes no logical sense to pass it in the first place?

And if you don't understand FIELD PREEMPTION, which I've detailed below, don't worry, the courts will make you familiar with it very soon.

Gerry1of1 said: "How can a law, which mimics federal regulation be in violation of federal law?"


If you don't like it, or understand it, well, thats your problem (and Arizona's), its just the way the framers setup our country.

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