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Hits: 21863 | Rating: (2.2) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: madest
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seabass101dg
Male, 18-29, Western US
 479 Posts
Thursday, August 26, 2010 9:47:15 PM
All the law does is allow State Police to do what Federal officers do. They need to shutthefwackup and make a legitimate argument. And using children in the video is low.

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:12:49 PM
crunkkid what a good vid man! civil vs criminal wow so clear, from the chief's own mouth!

meepmaker
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 6716 Posts
Wednesday, July 07, 2010 7:35:24 AM
Whatever.

inversegrav
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 767 Posts
Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:17:15 PM
When my family came to the United States they had to obey the laws (register with Imigration and Nturalization Service and go through the process of becomming a citizen) I find entering the United States illegally and Breaking Those Laws insulting.

Crunkkid
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 16 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 10:46:59 PM
does anyone know where i can read the actual law? i don't want to be misinformed...

Crunkkid
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 16 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 10:11:22 PM
I think this guy has a good point,, watch all 3 videos..

watch this

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 10:10:24 PM
you completely mis the whole point, that's why.

jib
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 9:02:13 PM
@oceanbeast
Your right I was thinking about Puerto Rico not the DR, but same story

But back to the topic
"im all for deporting those who commit crime, but not a blanket law that treats everyone like a criminal. "
Coming here illegally, is in and of itself....illegal. So why can't we deport them? You either do things the right way or take risks and face the consequences

darkmoth
Male, 18-29, Western US
 69 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 7:26:19 PM
yea, im with shipyard, you ppl are idiots

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 6:27:47 PM
cops profile already, you really that naive to think this bill wont let it get worse for hispanics?

shipyard
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 625 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 5:40:08 PM
Have any of you actually even READ the bill? Didn't think so... Just being TOLD what to think by those who haven't read it either. Morons.

Cajun247
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 10210 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 10:53:41 AM
@splurbyburbl
From Sec. 1 Amendment 14 of the USC:
"...nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Notice it does not say citizen, or "person with a visa". Person here is ANYONE regardless of immigration status.


oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 1:30:48 AM
jib - DR is not a part of the united states.

the overwhelming majority of illegals are NOT criminals. illegals do want a "good life" they want to work for you, wash your dishes, maybe go to school, maybe even be a doctor God forbid, but they are asking to be given the rights we all share they want to assimilate as much as any other group that has emigrated, whats more american than the sopranos, the fighting irish, pizza, or fireworks. why do you want them deported? why not give them a chance to apply for papers without the fear of being deported. do you realize they might not apply if they are faced with certain deportation.

im all for deporting those who commit crime, but not a blanket law that treats everyone like a criminal.

jib
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 1:17:56 AM
@sbeelz
Erm, first of all who help makes the laws? U.S citizens. If the citizens of Arizona don't like the state law that was recently passed, it is possible to repel. "gods" dont have the power, the citizens of Arizona do

jib
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 1:17:42 AM

@oceanbeast
I'm not sure I understood your point(I watched the video), but the U.S did have some colonies like the Dominican Republic for example, which is now part of the U.S and so people there ARE now legal citizens of the U.S.
I hope I didn't sounds as if i was stereotyping illegals as being criminals, it's just that in Arizona, there was a huge problem with crime and illegals. There have been multiple solutions, hell we were thinking of building a giant gate along the border. I understand some illegal immigrants just want to make a good living, but unfortunatley for the most part with illegal immigrants comes other illegal activity. If illegals really want a good life, why not try applying for citizenship? Sure it's a hard and long process, but it's also fair, right, and possible (assuming you haven't done anything illegal of course)

parmaher
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 1 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 1:00:01 AM
I've go SBEELZ back. Right/Wrong is not equal to legal/illegal.

sbeelz
Male, 30-39, Western US
 2869 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 12:35:36 AM
I'm tired of people arguing that coming into this country illegally is WRONG. Oooh- they crossed an imaginary line without permission from the government. That's sure WRONG. There is a difference between wrong and illegal. To believe that breaking the law is inherently wrong is bestowing godlike powers on those who make the law.

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 12:28:12 AM
jib - do you not think your "solution" is a bit simple to solve such a complex problem?

not all immigrants are involved in criminal activity, why are you generalizing before realizing how stupid that sounds.

if you have balls watch this and get educated by an immigrant

european americans

jib
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 314 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 12:23:15 AM
There is NO way to protect an ILLEGAL immigrant. What they did is wrong and what they're associated with is even worse (Human trafficking, drugs, kidnapping, etc.). We simply deport them back to where ever they came from and since there has been alot of crime associated with illegal immigrants wouldn't it be wise to say oh I don't know GET RID OF THEM? aka deport them

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Monday, July 05, 2010 12:11:42 AM
vajayjay - your comment is exactly what i mean. you sit on your laptop, air conditioned, sipping a cold drink, in your nice home, in a nice neighborhood and you think its just so easy to start a revolution or break the chains of an enslaving government. these people come here out of desperation, of a need to survive, to watch their children have something they never had themselves.
this law is not only bullpoo, its racist and in clear violation of the constitution.
who do you think me a Hispanic (though a citizen) or a Caucasian immigrant is going to be harassed first?
do you even know how important these people are to the economy? YES you are willing to work them, pay them less, discriminate them. but when they ask for recognition, when they want their rights you just want them to leave,well it dosent work that way.
who do you think was here before the united states, before the corporations. they want their rights.

VaJayJay
Female, 30-39, Midwest US
 56 Posts
Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:27:03 PM
sorry I didn't read this for awhile and I hope oceanbeast reads my reply to his comment. If the people in those countries are so bad off than why don't they do something about it? Just about every other well developed country had to have some sort of revolution to become what they were. This country should not have to take it up the butt because of their corrupt governments. There are way more citizens than police.

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Sunday, July 04, 2010 4:00:08 PM
Madest: True, but my major point here is... what's the answer? If illegal immigrants are a problem, but A) nobody likes amnesty B) Nobody likes what Arizona is doing C) nobody likes rounding them up and deporting them D) Nobody wants to close our borders completely, etc. etc. Then what is the answer?

Arizona is on the right track only in that they are at least doing something nobody has yet done. That is, having the sack to make a decision and stick to it because they realize one answer will not make everyone happy. Truth be told I don't even like it totally, but I respect their perseverance and fortitude for doing something that takes guts. Like I said before, more power to them for making a decision and enforcing it.

miraclewik
Female, 18-29, Asia
 319 Posts
Sunday, July 04, 2010 3:24:37 PM
Auburn junky,

The oil spill isn't in the news nearly as much, but it's still a big problem. It's not about people getting smart, it's about our short attention spans.

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4842 Posts
Sunday, July 04, 2010 2:18:00 PM
(continued)
All that was to say, I'm having trouble making my product inexpensive enough to export >>probably because I'm just outside of Detroit<< so, ultimately, I have to admit that I completely understand your position on entitlement.

2) Very few good things came of the policies of the moralists:
- Pro: mandatory education/public education/child labor law(which really did CAUSE suffering at the beginning)
- Con: Attitude toward marijuana prevented it's medical use from being taken seriously until recently.
I'd have to say that apart from trying to motivate people into legalized distribution of those substances for medical use at least, you have to assure people that today's violent drug lords would not become tomorrow's Kennedys (Yeah, I went there. Look it up.)
At that, does anyone know if a medical spliff costs less than one from a mojo?

CodeJockey
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 4842 Posts
Sunday, July 04, 2010 2:08:30 PM
goaliejerry
Yes, I do. My point was about context.

Cajun
1) I understand why the minimum wage is in place. In my own endeavor, I intend to employ more automation than average in order to pay more to fewer people.
I've also been trying to design the first product completely out of US material if not parts that can be bought within 60 miles of my home. It's not working out. So much so the first machine I've purchased, the tool that will make the tools, was made in China.
After I finished weeping openly, my partner assured me that I am not a traitorous, broke-dicked dog because I intend to put Americans, namely him, into very real, tech manufacturing positions.

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