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 Sectsktn
Female, 30-39, Western US
 174 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 9:59:02 PM
i was disappointed...i thought the images would actually be "wacky" :( |
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 Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
1608 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 9:10:43 AM
your conflicts arose when individuals and communities wanted native american resources.
I believe I said something to that same effect. When violence erupted, it wasn't at the instigation of ecclesiastical men, but colonials. My original argument was that in the colonial US, natives were not forced to convert. I don't know what you're arguing with me about anymore.
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Brassbull
Male, 30-39, Southern US
1608 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 8:35:30 AM
My problem is you're still equating North America colonization with US colonization. North America is a *continent* and includes Mexico and Central America. There is no central american continent.
So you're arguing with me for not making a proper distinction in the beginning? Next time I'll do so. I assure you I don't equate the US with North America. Ok?
At least not in direct competition. Maryland wasn't actively converting and they were the only catholics in the area til after the US was formed.
Yes, they were competing with Catholicism, and on a global scale, not just in the colonies. I'm referring here to the Spanish and Portuguese colonization of the central America and South America. So the Catholics in Maryland weren't making a real effort, I neglected that information because it is insignificant in respect to the Catholic conversions south of what is now the US. |
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 outdoorMINER
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
939 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 8:15:59 AM
The links below this article are disturbing. |
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 monkey_spank
Male, 30-39, Europe
50 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 7:37:40 AM
itkonlyyou65
hgjghjfgh
should be banned for spam |
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 Slmmhmmr161
Male, 18-29, Canada
609 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 7:01:08 AM
Mohammed is asian? |
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 GuardinGnome
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
2900 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 5:01:02 AM
I don't really care.
You can get a tattoo of Muhammad on yer ass for all i care. |
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 Nidonemo
Male, 18-29, Western US
9216 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 5:00:08 AM
"Yea Crakr thats why i just type whatever, because i know theyll just change it"
We try to liven things up a bit. |
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 mal_BB
Male, 18-29, Europe
1224 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 4:29:45 AM
The stuff about hell is not dissimilar to Catholicism, and all the symbolism is basically the same as most other main stream religions; its just that Muslims take their faith very very seriously, and some very very literally, which an be a dangerous thing to do where religion is concerned imho. |
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frenchroast
Male, 30-39, Canada
381 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 3:49:41 AM
Oh no! They will have to fly planes into the internets now! South Park should have cut out these images to represent the holy one, problem solved. |
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 Adi_Noor
Male, 18-29, Asia
191 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 2:45:40 AM
I-A-B... You should be ashamed! |
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Shtiv
Male, 18-29, Australia
93 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 2:09:15 AM
The fact people are arguing about the wording of a title of a topic about Mohammed is very saddening. It just proves that the panic terrorism and Islamic extremists bring means we have to debate the most banal, minor, insignificant things for fear we might piss off a Muslim or two.
If a Muslim you know is offended by this, tell him to grow a pair. Or show him the episodes of South Park that say all Priests are paedophiles. |
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 CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14458 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 12:59:00 AM
...and has then pretended the Grand Mufti is the founder of every Islamic group ever..
I've pretended nothing of the sort. I never said he founded every radical Islamic sect. I said that he started the antisemitic genocide ball rolling and it's grown ever since then. Hitler started the Nazis, But he didn't found the KKK or the Skinheads. Hitler did however provide them the symbols they now rally around.
That's the basis for my linking him to today's problems in the middle-east and it's a valid linkage. |
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 handys003
Male, 50-59, Western US
2402 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 12:37:40 AM
Hmm...I wonder if a Fatwah for Jihad has been called upon I-A-B? |
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 Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
4753 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:16:05 PM
Two more things.
1) Seems most people actually contributed something reasonable without my intervention...
2) To prevent massive repetition, Crakr and I already had a discussion on the role of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
I am suggesting that someone has found a Muslim with a link to Nazis, and has then pretended the Grand Mufti is the founder of every Islamic group ever, and that his rhetoric is what guides everything ever.
I think Crakr has read this, and believes it. I think if it was about Christians, he would realize how silly the argument was.
Seriously, there's more argument for Henry Ford being the inspiration for WWI and WWII than the GMJ being the inspiration of Modern Islamic thought. |
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 davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
11693 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:05:31 PM
Wow, Baal. Thanks for that link... I had no idea what a Fatwa actually is before now. I've always heard it fed to me by the media as a bogey-man evil thing that I should be scared of (and yes, as a kid, I was always afraid of the apocryphal bogey-man), without ever being shown what the bogey-man looks like.
Meant sincerely, without jest. |
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 Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
8285 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:58:49 PM
> CrakrJak
> Don't assume anything in the title or comment came from the submitter
True that. If you saw some of the titles and descriptions as we receive them, you'd understand why. But adding 'wacky' to this one - yeah, I can't see what the point of that was. |
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Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
4753 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:50:24 PM
Step 1) Pretend any drawings of Mohammed are illegal always according to all Muslims. (Not counting some of the most senior Islamic authorities such as Ali Sistani).
Step 2) Show old pictures of Mohammed.
Step 3) Claim there has been a massive change.
There hasn't. The way the current events have been painted are inaccurate, and thus do not gel particularly well with Islamic thought of any period. It was specifically the content of the cartoons, not that there were cartoons.
What an actual Fatwa looks like by the way, with regard the Danish cartoons. |
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 janus_games
Male, 18-29, Western US
296 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:34:38 PM
It sounds like you're not talking about missionaries or religious figures anymore, but just Christians in general.
Maybe that's my fault. What I'm really trying to get at is the differences in colonial approach.
The US colonies were founded by colonists, who wanted new starts and new lives away from their governing bodies. Therefore, your conflicts arose when individuals and communities wanted native american resources.
The French weren't really interested in colonization, that's why you only really trading forts out there. A couple cours de bois, a couple trading posts, the french never really bothered.
The Spanish were there for military occupation first and foremost. There weren't people flocking there for a new life, they were military or there to support the military. Sure, occasionally you'd have a noble that wasn't going to get an inheritance too. That's basically why the land was divided up into huge ranchos the way it was |
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 Neagle
Male, 30-39, Western US
1405 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:22:40 PM
Yea and people wonder why the rest of the galaxy doesn't want to associate with us. |
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janus_games
Male, 18-29, Western US
296 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 10:18:04 PM
I corrected myself in regards to the colonization of central America and Mexico. I mistakenly addressed Gerry1of1 instead of you while doing this.
No. My problem is you're still equating North America colonization with US colonization. North America is a *continent* and includes Mexico and Central America. There is no central american continent.
The missionaries in the US and Canada were competing with the Catholics to convert natives.
Not really. At least not in direct competition. Maryland wasn't actively converting and they were the only catholics in the area til after the US was formed.
You also neglect that L.S. directly mentions that Anglican missionaries weren't successful. You can see that in two lights, first, that Anglican "missionaries" really weren't trying they just basically took the money, and second, that natives in the area really weren't listening. |
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 DarkFerret
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2764 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:45:27 PM
sooo, is muhammed fair game now? :D |
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 xiquiripat
Male, 18-29, Western US
2419 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:42:39 PM
The only good muslim is an Abbasid muslim. |
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 keith2
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
2341 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:05:07 PM
awwwww shiiixts.... better get my jihad helmet on they're bout to bomb my house as i type this |
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CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
14458 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:58:41 PM
Brassbull: I don't know if it was forced or not, But my great-grandfather was adopted by a white protestant family, Which is why my name isn't 'Running Elk' or something similar. He faced some minor racism, But because it was mostly a rural community it didn't persist. Becoming one of the best blacksmiths and tinkers/mechanics in the county didn't hurt either. He was born in the era of horse and buggy, Lived to see man walk on the moon. I'm still in awe of what he lived through and seen. He shod horses, He worked on some of the earliest cars, His son was in Pearl Harbor on Dec. 7th, 1941, His grandson survived Vietnam and He became a Shriner as well. Quite an awesome life for an adopted indian boy. |
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