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 PringleMan
Female, 13-17, Canada
 1364 Posts
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Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:30:36 PM
wow, looks like a completely different person after 6 years... |
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 comcastdeals
Male, 18-29, Western US
4 Posts
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:30:47 PM
great transformation.. |
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 Linkenberger
Male, 18-29, Canada
1067 Posts
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Tuesday, May 18, 2010 11:15:12 PM
From age 3 to 12 I was convinced I was a girl in a boy's body.
To this day I'm not sure why I'm not gay. |
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 IshiiDaFishy
Male, 18-29, Canada
774 Posts
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Monday, May 17, 2010 9:17:47 PM
@Lauryn. She was sucked into the matrix and disappearedfor a while. lol. |
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 Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
183 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:42:38 PM
That's kind of my point: why does it matter what sex I see a person as? I can be easily fooled without subjecting your body to surgical mutilation and hormone levels your body isn't supposed to produce -- don't go through all that on *my* account.
Likewise, if gender is the way you feel about *yourself* (as I'm often told it is), then your outward appearance should be fine the way it is (or was, in the above example) and no amount of surgery or hormone treatments could possibly do anyone any good.
What's left are the clinically depressed acting out through radical self-abuse, and other-genitalia-experience fetishists. If that's the case I suggest therapy and possibly medication rather than radical unnecessary surgery.
And yes, I feel the same way about face-lifts, boob jobs, and tummy-tucks, too. |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 7:18:30 PM
It doesn't matter how I define a person's sex
Of course it does, because that determines what sex you see a person as being and a person's sex is part of the foundation of this whole thing.
You appear to be defining it by chromosome type, as you think it's not about a person's mind or their body. |
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Omphaloskept
Male, 40-49, Southern US
183 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:02:33 PM
@Angilion: "How do you define a person's sex"
It doesn't matter how I define a person's sex -- I disagree with the person in the pictures, though: it's got to be about more than how you look. And to put your body through these radical changes for the vanity of fooling people (and *trying* to fool yourself) isn't the answer. |
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PoisonB
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
9 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 8:23:55 AM
drat you, Kate Winslet is hot |
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 Lauryn
Female, 18-29, Australia
440 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 2:25:33 AM
what happened to 2004?? |
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 idiotfilter
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
3934 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:50:51 AM
lol...it's always the shirtless ones... |
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intrigid
Male, 18-29, Canada
879 Posts
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Sunday, May 16, 2010 12:25:45 AM
To the people who feel the need to say they don't understand: Shut the f*ck up. You aren't supposed to be able to understand. |
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 xtreme_dude
Male, 18-29, Western US
1376 Posts
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 11:45:35 PM
The scary part is that He-she-it is preddy attractive. |
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 Boomsie
Female, 18-29, Europe
252 Posts
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Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:59:18 PM
errrr. just wow. what a beautiful woman! |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 5:27:33 PM
But when my wife has a double mastectomy and asks me if it makes her less of a woman, or my brother has orchiectomy and feels it makes him less of a man, is the answer yes?
Now that's a good point, but it ties in with the question you didn't answer:
How do you define a person's sex?
I think it's a much more difficult question than it first seems.
To answer your question, I'd say it depends (although I'd pretty it up for an answer for my wife or brother). Useless answer, but it's the best I have. I'd certainly understand if they wanted reconstructive surgery (and HRT for the man in your examples). |
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Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
9554 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 5:22:35 PM
This isn't a case of ambiguous genitalia: look at the photos.
What gives you the impression I said it was?
Without taking hormones and the surgeon's knife, this guy was just a guy who wanted to cut his genitals off.
No, he was a guy who wanted to be a woman. Not the same thing at all unless you regard a woman as a neutered man.
If he had wanted to cut his wrists we'd provide counseling for his depression and help him adjust to life.
Right - give the right treatment for the problem. In this case, a sex change. It works a lot better than counselling. |
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CapnAwesome
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
236 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 5:09:56 PM
She looks kinda like susan sarandon at the end. |
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 Ivy_Maccay
Female, 30-39, Southern US
34 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:06:07 PM
@paulyshore LOL oops, you're not a guy. Sorry, that will teach me to pay more attention. |
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 dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
16276 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:03:03 PM
Sex changes aren't about getting a vagina because you're effeminate, or getting a penis because you happen to be butchy. Sex changes are about getting yourself into the body you feel you belong in. Your mind feels like a boy, so you turn your body into a male one, so that you feel like yourself and vice-verse. |
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Ivy_Maccay
Female, 30-39, Southern US
34 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 4:01:52 PM
@paulyshore Gender Dysphoria is the mental condition of feeling wrong in your body. I had a pretty extreme case. You're a guy, and I'mma assume you have a penis. You're comfortable with your penis. Your sexual fantasies involve your penis, right? I mean, when you think about sex, you think about sex as a guy. Ok, so what if you didn't have a penis? What if you were born a woman, but still all your sexual desires/fantasies revolved around you having a penis? This is just one of the aspects of the mental dysphoria involved, I'm trying to keep this basic. You go to therapists, try to work it out, and eventually come to the decision that the only way to remedy this is to change your body to match your mental state, since changing your mental state isn't working, and you're on the edge of suicide. Does that help you understand at all? |
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Ivy_Maccay
Female, 30-39, Southern US
34 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:55:30 PM
@wake_n_bake I adapt the speech to the guy. Sometimes it's easy, sometimes it's not. Usually, I'll just be very straightforward about it, something along the lines of "There's something I have to tell you. I was born male. I'm better now, though" :P Most guys take it pretty well, considering. A few have even stuck around for more dates. |
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 paulyshore
Female, 18-29, Canada
90 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 3:41:09 PM
maybe someone can enlighten me -
i don't understand sex changes. how does changing your genitalia help you identify with yourself more? that's just adhering to gender stereotypes, in't it? because you act/feel effeminate you must have tits and a cooch?
i guess it's the same thing as something like a nose job - you want to look how you feel you should look. but again - to me, it's just pigeon holing yourself (not your body, your actual self) more.
not against it by any means, just simply don't. get. it. |
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 Shahar102
Female, 18-29, Europe
518 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 10:28:02 AM
Cool, She looks awesome I must say..
Asain spammers stop spam! |
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 wake_n_bake
Male, 18-29, Southern US
657 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 9:22:20 AM
So whats the etiquette on telling a guy who's interested in you that you have an xy chromosome? |
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 Zaneo
Male, 18-29, Canada
32 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 9:10:26 AM
Sometimes we even get X- and XXY |
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 TokioKoos
Female, 18-29, Europe
415 Posts
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Friday, May 14, 2010 7:57:44 AM
She looks great. ^^ That's all I have to say about all this. |
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