 chimmeychang
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 602 Posts
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Tuesday, June 01, 2010 8:46:17 AM
you know, we can figure out how to harass illegals more efficiently, but the bottom line is this, it costs money to deal with them. deportation isn't free, court appointed lawyers aren't free, detaining them isn't free...They will be here no matter what you do, as long as they can make money. Why not just issue temporary work visas, and give them a high tax rate with no chance of getting citizenship. It seems we are more quick to want to punish people instead of working out an arrangement that benefits all parties. |
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 xXKaryXx
Female, 13-17, Western US
640 Posts
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Tuesday, May 04, 2010 8:44:25 AM
if my grandpa hadn't hidden in that truck that delivered oranges the rich guys over here wouldn't have had a million dollar house to live in
D:< |
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 BigWaFuu
Male, 18-29, Western US
1147 Posts
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Saturday, May 01, 2010 4:41:47 PM
"they took our jobs"
So you wanted to work 12 hours every day cleaning the mall? That was your goal? Go to school and take advantage of our mexican slaves. |
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 scotland626
Female, 18-29, Western US
96 Posts
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Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:20:02 AM
I live in Arizona, and I can tell you right now that this bill is going to definitely change things around here, especially in the lower-middle class areas I like to call "the ghetto". It will get rid of alot of hassle for us Americans especially in the workforce, and also it'll shorten our damn grocery store lines (they bring all 7 of their children and allow them to run amok in the store and parking lot).
However, this bill is making the rest of our country (and of course the Hispanics) boycott buying products from our state. This will definitely take a toll on our economy seeing as how much of our frequent consumers are Hispanic.
Either way we're screwed :) |
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 auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:29:24 AM
@philomath:
So now illegals just bring competition to the workplace?
If I were broke, and needing to feed my family, I would take the jobs "Americans won't take", but an employer makes more money hiring an illegal, because he can pay them the same, or slightly more, and not have to pay payroll tax, or benefits. The union representing his "legal" workers would call for a strike if he tried that with the legal workers.
Unions suck, but that's for another post. |
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 Philomath
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
174 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:19:42 AM
@Edgarska:
My point wasn't that this is what is happening, but that when someone claims to be an "academic" and then shows this lack of understanding for scientific rigor, they lose the respect that they claim to deserve. The writer states that areas with higher concentrations of illegals have lower crime rate. He fails to take into account any other possible explanation for that except the one that supports his argument. Academic Fail! Especially claiming to be a lawyer, it would seem that scrutiny of details would be of high priority. Hence my statement of "spoken like a true lawyer..." wherein he ignores details weak to his purpose and focuses his argument on the points that support it. I have no problem with arguing someone arguing their opinion except if they claim to be an academic (such as myself) and then use anecdotal support. |
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Philomath
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
174 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 8:07:45 AM
@auburnjunky:
I just didn't want to expand my already-lengthy tirade further. If the company would willingly pay legal wages (taxes, etc.) then I don't think it would be justifiable to say that illegals were "taking" those jobs, just increasing competition. As an illegal immigrant is much more likely to accept an illegal wage for myriad reasons, the company may not be willing to pay the extra. Legal citizens would be taking a large tax liability risk in accepting those wages that the immigrants would not. Therefore, the immigrants would have undercut the market for that job and effectively "stolen" the jobs by pricing the market below where a citizen legal could. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 7:30:36 AM
@Philomath:
"If the company is unwilling to pay legal wages, they are unable to hire legal citizens."
Misleading statement. If there were no illegal workers willing to work for less, the employer would be forced to hire Americans.
Illegals tend to take home more than an American worker anyway. The employers pay them more in cash, because they don't have to pay benefits and payroll taxes on them. |
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auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
8683 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 7:28:16 AM
"I guarantee you if and when we have as major an issue with Canadian illegals as we do Mexican there will be a law for them as well."
Yeah, because Canadians are white and tend to be conservative, Obama would build a double wall with pit bulls between them. |
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 ladymanson
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
76 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 5:13:29 AM
I would take it more seriously if the defense attorney to-be had spell-checked |
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 66stang
Male, 18-29, Western US
226 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 5:08:39 AM
all of you saying we are being racist because we think mexicans when we hear illegal alien, you're wrong. there are 460,00 estimated illegals in Arizona ALONE. Of those how many do you think are from Russia, or China, or Canada? I guarantee you if and when we have as major an issue with Canadian illegals as we do Mexican there will be a law for them as well. This is just a case of children in trouble crying to their parents that the other kids aren't getting in trouble so why should they. |
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 Edgarska19
Male, 18-29, Western US
1048 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 4:12:03 AM
@philomath
so you're saying that illegal immigrants don't commit crimes in their communities but rather travel to other places where there aren't that many immigrants just to trow off researchers?
yeah, that doesn't sound drating retarded at all. |
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 NottaSpy
Male, 40-49, Western US
838 Posts
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Friday, April 30, 2010 12:16:54 AM
"Avoid issues that don't back-up your personal points, fluff your ego, belittle others' differing viewpoints while fluffing your ego some more."
Philomath, are you describing the email or your own post? |
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 nissanxterra
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
427 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 11:07:10 PM
yawn. Long winded |
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Philomath
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
174 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:48:25 PM
Spoken like a true lawyer! Avoid issues that don't back-up your personal points, fluff your ego, belittle others' differing viewpoints while fluffing your ego some more.
Valid points, yes, but this doesn't really rebut the previous email. The closest point was that illegal immigrants don't commit more crimes which he avoided by stating that areas with higher concentrations have lower crime. That isn't the same as the population committing less crime outside their primary residence, as an academic would realize.
Further, stating that they take jobs that Americans wouldn't is a moot point when the opportunity is unavailable. If the company is unwilling to pay legal wages, they are unable to hire legal citizens.
tl;dr: dude uses rhetoric to express his leftist view, IAB unsurprised |
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 masterbob
Male, 13-17, Western US
1614 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 9:16:57 PM
.......is there like a naked lady as his background or at least a half naked lady?? |
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 AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
894 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:54:56 PM
@angelo0317
yes |
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 angelo0317
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
335 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:54:34 PM
The only law I believe in is the law of physics. Anyone else agree? |
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AnarchistGod
Male, 70 & Over, Midwest US
894 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:46:26 PM
The concept of law clouds people's judgement. They think something is just because it's law. Would it people okay to kill if it was legal? Would it be bad if it was illegal to watch work-out? The answer is no. |
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 Powderdd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
12 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:45:08 PM
@ Sender02
Yes, if you're not an illegal immigrant then it was for no damn reason. In the exact same way that getting arrested for any other crime that you didn't commit is not right. |
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 sender02
Male, 18-29, Western US
189 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:18:45 PM
"no damn reason?" There is a reason! Illegal immigration is a crime, goddamnit! ILLEGAL immigration! on top of what they were originaly pulled over for! |
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sender02
Male, 18-29, Western US
189 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 7:10:44 PM
"no damn reason?" There is a reason! Illegal immigration is a crime, goddamnit! ILLEGAL immigration! on top of what they were originaly pulled over for! |
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Powderdd
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
12 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 5:21:59 PM
For those trying to belittle the implications of this law, search Mexican-Americans Already Arrested Based on Arizona Immigration Law on youtube. People will say "so what" but I know you wouldn't just say "so what" if you were taken to jail for no damn reason. |
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 JudasInc
Male, 18-29, Canada
36 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:50:32 PM
Nice wallpaper. |
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lawbored
Male, 18-29, Western US
34 Posts
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Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:40:07 PM
I think goaliejerry, nottaspy, and I should write a amicus against it... C'mon it'd be fun |
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