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Record Numbers In US Carry Firearms

Hits: 24557 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: McGovern1981
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Wizard77
Male, 40-49, Western US
 582 Posts
Friday, September 24, 2010 9:42:12 AM
I didnt know anyone even watched MSNBC, LOL

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:48:00 PM
see here in America, you have options, we don't force anyone to own a gun, we have strict limitations on who can legally own a gun (non-felon citizens that agree to undergo a background check, then there is a waiting period to deter crimes of passion}. if you don't want a gun you don't have to have one, but if you are a law abiding sane citizen you are more than welcome to buy as many as you'd like, and if someone is in your house in the middle of the night MOST states will look the other way and rule it as self defense, why? because no one breaks into your house for pleasantries, they are in there to steal, and someone who has broken into your house with intent to steal probably has intent to harm anyone in that house to get away.

oh and one more thing, our guns ensure that we as a country will never be simply rolled into a totalitarian state, not over our dead cold bodies.

SumRandom1
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 795 Posts
Wednesday, April 14, 2010 8:25:24 AM
i can see there are some serious debates going on here, but i still could not stop laughing at the first RED text line that states "LOW BLOW: ONE MANS FIGHT WITH PROSTATE CANCER" now that is a play on words my friends, that person deserves a medal and a gun permit, just to keep all of you debaters happy

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11707 Posts
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 11:36:37 PM
"Ollie, without meaning to insult your friend, and forgive me if I do, but most people don't become the victim of an execution-style killing. Was he involved with dangerous people?"

He was an artisan jeweler. They kicked in his door, dragged him out of bed, tied him up, and ransacked his apartment. When they were finished, they shot him twice in the head with a .22.

If he had had a gun by his bedside, he could have defended himself, but he never believed he would need one -- sort of like you, I guess.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2740 Posts
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:36:36 AM
@CrakrJak

"Did I also mention that the crime rate numbers are bogus in the UK too?"

Again, your point? You'd rather lives be lost than property be lost?

I'm not going to arm myself and risk deadly confrontation to protect my wallet or my television, for pity's sake. And crossing the street or getting on my motorcycle present FAR more likely risks to my life than any hypothetical Hannibal Lecter breaking into my house to kill me.

And to want to increase a likely risk (accidental gun death, or gun suicide, or gun grabbed during a domestic quarrel) in order to counter an unlikely risk is just plain lunacy.


Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2740 Posts
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:31:30 AM
"Yes, its better to lose possessions than ones life. But some criminals would kill you even after you give them what they want...you showed weakness."

"Some" being the operative word. And that "some" being a very small "some". A tiny percentage. And you counter that tiny threat by escalating any confrontation with the non-murder-happy criminals into a confrontation involving deadly force.

A non-proportional reaction to a threat smacks of paranoia.

You're in your 40s; have YOU ever saved your own life with a gun?

Come on, surely SOMEBODY has.

Tay-Dor
Male, 40-49, Western US
 265 Posts
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 3:04:40 AM
Criminals only respond to strength - power. If you aren't stonrger or mnore powerful than them, you are prey.

Yes, its better to lose possessions than ones life. But some criminals would kill you even after you give them what they want...you showed weakness. Resistance, through strength deters them.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2740 Posts
Tuesday, April 13, 2010 1:07:17 AM
"Are you implying that since neither has a first hand account of how a handgun saved their lives, then there isn't a reason for the average person to carry a firearm?"

I'm not saying there never is a reason (as Ollie's account of his friends prove). I'm saying, though, that people seem to overinflate the risk they face for some other agenda; the risk for most people of someone trying to kill you is vanishingly small, and preparing so fervently with a weapon against such a possibility seems excessive.

Especially when that weapon would then get used to defend property (Ollie's friend's carjacking), rather than lives. Then you're involving lethal force in the defence of possessions. If someone wants to steal from you, are you really going to risk your life over STUFF?

Ollie, without meaning to insult your friend, and forgive me if I do, but most people don't become the victim of an execution-style killing. Was he involved with dangerous people?

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11707 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 8:16:09 PM
"...have you found yourself in a situation where your life was saved by your gun in a split-second situation?"

Actually, no, and I hope I never do.

I had a close friend who stopped a carjacker by sticking a .38 in his face when he opened the door. I had another friend who didn't keep a gun and was murdered execution-style in his apartment.

So, here's another cliché (which, by the way, would never have gotten to be a chiché in the first place if it weren't true):

Better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

mvangild
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 528 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 5:56:07 PM
Musuko, I'm failing to see your point in your questioning auburnjunky and oldollie. Are you implying that since neither has a first hand account of how a handgun saved their lives, then there isn't a reason for the average person to carry a firearm? If so, then you need a much larger statistical sample before you can make such a statement.

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9556 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 4:47:46 PM


strickt
Male, 18-29, Western US
 73 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 4:16:12 PM
I was just at the gun range yesterday planning for this exact situation.

good riddance... his facebook said he was part of the New Jersey Crips and shows him throwing up gang signs... good riddance as far as I'm concerned.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16132 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 3:28:48 PM
Musuko42: Did I also mention that the crime rate numbers are bogus in the UK too ? Seems they've been intentionally lowered so that the police look as though they are preventing crime.

Secret papers reaveal crime rate fiddle

Lolboy
Male, 70 & Over, Africa
 797 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 12:41:25 PM
Ima go out on a limb here and say that criminals, who are the ones usually doing the murderin', will find a way to get guns whether or not they are banned. Hence the whole "criminal" thing. :p

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2740 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 12:36:35 PM
@auburnjunky

Has anyone ever been in your house threatening your family?

auburnjunky
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 9556 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 12:09:07 PM
Well said mattprince. I couldn't agree more.

If he does look shifty, and he is in my house, threatening my family.

SHOOT THE BASTARD!...

...and don't say I'm a wuss for shooting him, 'cause if, for some weird reason I didn't have my gun, I'd beat his ass! lol.

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2740 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 11:21:16 AM
@sl212

That's a really interesting point! If we could see figures gun deaths AND gun injuries, what you describe might be observable; it could very well be possible that gun violence hasn't gone down, but it has become more survivable as medical treatment gets better.

Ooooooh, and that puts the debate right into "healthcare reform" territory. Best we steer clear. :P

sl212
Female, 18-29, Europe
 28 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 11:00:16 AM
This may be me being ignorant, but I'm sure everything I read in the article was strictly referring to gun homicides and didn't include people who've been shot but weren't killed. What if the results just mean that the healthcare system is becoming more efficient?

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:45:29 AM
Hail to the king, baby!

Musuko42
Male, 18-29, Europe
 2740 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:42:12 AM
"Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away."

Ugh, this again.

Okay, here's a fair opportunity; your profile says you're in your 50s, so that gives you five decades of experience. In that time, have you found yourself in a situation where your life was saved by your gun in a split-second situation?

Seriously, without any snark; because I have yet to have anyone describe to me a real personal account where they have used a gun to save their lives.

McGovern1981
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 12714 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:33:46 AM
But but but bujeezabus said so....

He said thou shall carry boomstickith so when zombie hords infest the earth thou can kick ass like bujeezabus and send them from wenst they came. The lord also recommends considering a chainsaw appendage.

MattPrince
Male, 40-49, Europe
 2223 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:20:28 AM
You said - "this number also reflects the large number of would be murderers, thieves, psychos, wife beaters, and thugs that got blasted by a citizen defending himself. "

I read "he looks shifty, shoot the f*ck!"

DavidXJ
Male, 30-39, Western US
 725 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:15:52 AM
Great job at trying to spin this MSNBC, but at the very least, the data shows that gun crime does not increase with more concealed weapons permits. You can explain away the decrease in crime, but you can't explain away the lack of an increase in gun-related crime.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 11707 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:11:29 AM
"USA - constitutional right to bear arms. 11.66 gun-related deaths per 100,000. Spot the pattern yet?"

I believe I do. According to your logic:

Violent criminal shot to death by innocent citizen = bad

Innocent citizen stabbed to death by violent criminal = good

Does that about sum it up?

Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

youngdz79
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 269 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 10:00:08 AM
Look are Constitution Gives the right to bear arms and to protect our property and that is enough for me to go buy my pistol to defend myself, especaily since the morons in my township would not vote to keep the same police force we had so we have like ten cops for a 24 hour shift and the morons want 8 officers during the day so the can feel safe while they are at work then bitch at night when they call the police and are told it will 45 minutes to forever to get an officer out to them because there is not one officer in the township

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