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MrRubik
Male, 13-17, Europe
 69 Posts
Friday, April 16, 2010 7:14:56 AM
FaLa620:
I look up to you.

Valonqar
Male, 13-17, Europe
 117 Posts
Monday, April 12, 2010 5:06:26 AM
Yep, I think we all saw this coming. Another religious debate.

FaLa620
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:21:37 PM
1000 characters max, yet I keep getting cut off well before then, odd. The last word of my post should have been "minority".

I guess now I have more room and can further elaborate. People who self identify as Christian are the majority in America. If we're going to play the "who is Christian enough?" game, then we either say that only the people in Denomination X are Christian enough, or that anyone who agrees on the basic fundamentals of what we consider Christian doctrine is. If we go with choice A, then you're a right wing nut job and definitely in the minority. But most Christians would go with choice B and say that anyone who believes in Jesus as their savior is okay and the rest is just details. In that case, you're in the majority of Americans.

FaLa620
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:15:45 PM
@ukulelemike - By "Christian enough" I mean exactly what I said. Conservative fundamentalist protestant groups are so quick to dismiss anyone who believes even slightly different than them, so to them these people don't count as "real" Christians. Calvinists think Arminians aren't Christian enough, charismatics think non-tongue-speakers aren't Christian enough, conservative Christians think liberal Christians aren't Christian enough, etc etc etc. Sure we can include fringe groupls like Mormons and JW's but there's really no need, mainstream protestants have done a pretty good job of narrowing down the list to only their particular group. Ever wonder why there's over 20,000 protestant denominations in the US alone? Ever notice how the church next door thinks the church down the street is full of fake Christians?

I don't know what church you go to, but chances are you agree on the same fundamentals as 90% of American protestants, so therefore you're not in th

FaLa620
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 7:08:56 PM
@deeplick - "FaLa620 you know nothing about the bible, it's proof is not of things unforeseen but of things that happen."

On the contrary, I'm thinking it's you who knows nothing about the Bible, seeing as how what I said was a direct quote from scripture and you're trying tell me that's not what faith is. Hebrews 11:1 bro.

Since this is something so obvious that I missed it, please tell me some of these predictions in the Bible that have come true, I'd love to hear them.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:35:04 PM
Scientist and atheist would rather dismiss god and feed you their "ideas" about how we evolved from space rocks and how UFO men brought cells to earth.


Do you really think that's an accurate description? I'm genuinely curious.

Also, feel free to provide an example of a detailed prophecy from the Christian bible that came true *and which was written before the event happened*.

Go on.

Just one.

You think there are a huge number of them. Surely you can provide one nice, clear example?

Don't bother with the usual vague generalities with no dates and a multitude of interpretations that can be retroactively made into "prophecies" of all sorts of events after they happened.

On a tangent, perhaps you'd like to explain why you think no-one has free will. If the future is fixed, that violates free will. It's an important consequence of your beliefs, so you must have thought about it...or not tho

Thorbjorn
Male, 18-29, Western US
 23 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 3:55:10 PM
deeplick

Space rocks? UFO men? I hope to God you are kidding, otherwise I will just assume you have just about no education. No, no. you've got to be kidding

ukulelemike
Male, 40-49, Western US
 129 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 3:42:21 PM
@ FaLa620: If by "Christian enough", you mean, 'by what the Bible says is Christian", then, throwing out groups like Mormons, JW's, and Catholics, you lose most of those who consider themselves 'Christian' because their standard of Christianity is not judged by the Bible, but by some external standards. So, yeah, 95%. But hey, it isn't about "woe is me"-my sadness is knowing so many reject the simple gospel of Jesus Christ unto salvation, and replace it with 'I got my own beliefs" or, "I'd rather have sex/do drugs/drink booze/or whatever pleases ME, than accept salvation." rather, it tends to be groups like the homosexuals who spend all their time crying over acceptance. I don't need anyone to accept my way to make me happy-I would just like to see more saved, with hope for eternal life, and not throwing it away for this momentary life, which is present for a moment and then, like a vapor, gone forever. I want to see everyone in heaven. Is that s

mamba
Male, 18-29, Europe
 618 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 3:14:53 PM
jesus said love your neighbour, by that reosoning gay people are those that have only male neighbours. on that note christians, consider the neibours when buying a house

apeirophobia
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 169 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 1:12:35 PM
The only gays that Christians need to worry about are gay Christians. Those are the people who need to examine closely what their faith decrees. But for all of the non-Christian gays out there, the Bible is no argument at all - it has no bearing. You can only use the Bible as a legitimate debate point if everyone involved follows its word.

Yaezakura
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 431 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 9:46:22 AM
FaLa620 you know nothing about the bible, it's proof is not of things unforeseen but of things that happen. Biggest prove that my god is real, is the predictions made in the bible that happened AFTER it was written and are still happening to this day. Hard to dismiss something that was predicted to happen and has happened as fake.


When your predictions are vague enough, it's hard to be wrong. For instance, if I predict the future will be full of strife and war, I'm basically guaranteed to be correct. If I predict that atrocities will continue to be carried out in the name of God, I'm pretty much guaranteed to be correct.

The "predictions" of the Bible are no different than the "predictions" of modern psychics. They are simply so vague that they essentially HAVE to be true at some point.

deeplick
Male, 18-29, Western US
 234 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 9:27:30 AM
FaLa620 you know nothing about the bible, it's proof is not of things unforeseen but of things that happen. Biggest prove that my god is real, is the predictions made in the bible that happened AFTER it was written and are still happening to this day. Hard to dismiss something that was predicted to happen and has happened as fake.

Scientist and atheist would rather dismiss god and feed you their "ideas" about how we evolved from space rocks and how UFO men brought cells to earth. Then to acknowledge the fact that a book has proved itself for thousands of years and still does so today. They think if they don't believe in a god they won't have to pay for their sins, and how wrong they are, and their biggest sin is spreading their filth and lies that its all just fake and made up.

drewrew
Male, 18-29, Europe
 69 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:27:07 AM
@FaLa620

<3

FaLa620
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:12:46 AM
@MrsPoods - Agnostics make the most sense? "I don't know" makes the most sense? No.

Makes perfect sense to me. No one can prove there is a god, no one can disprove there is a god. Religion, faith, interpretation, etc, at best it's just educated guessing. No one knows anything for sure. I can no more prove you wrong than you can prove me wrong. So why claim that you know something you don't?

It's fine to have faith, but the Bible says faith is the evidence of things UNSEEN. If you knew all the answers, you wouldn't have faith. So feel free to believe one way or another, but saying your way is correct is flawed and illogical thinking. Saying "I believe" is quite alright, saying "I know" makes no sense.

FaLa620
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:08:02 AM
@axeman929 - " If after searching the whole bible and they still see that the bible is silent on such a marriage, then they shouldnt do it. If God didnt authorize it then dont do it."

If that's how you feel, then please leave this website. The Bible is silent on the internet and IAB. God didn't authorize posting here, so you shouldn't do it.

FaLa620
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Sunday, April 11, 2010 12:06:12 AM
@Angilion - "When someone is drugged unconscious and used for sex without their knowledge, let alone consent, is it really reasonable to blame them for it?

That's what you're doing, but do you really mean it? "

I'm not blaming Lot for anything. But the Bible does say that he and his family were the only ones good enough to be saved. Yet when I read it, it sure seems that he and his family were a pretty screwed up bunch of people. If I'm blaming anyone, I'm blaming Christianity for advocating a book and belief system that calls screwed up people great and basing a system of morality upon what amounts to a lot of questionable ethics, at best.

Seriously, my point is this - Let's say I write a book, and in that book I say it's wrong to be gay. Also in that book, I say robbing liquor stores and eating babies are sacramental and holy things. Could you really base a system of belief and morals upon what I have said? I guess when it's God it's different? :

MCFC89
Male, 18-29, Canada
 124 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 11:06:45 PM
I seriously dont see what the problem is anymore. Catholics have their own gay prostitution rings and yet they wont accept gay marriage? religion in and of itself is corrupt. Get Rid I say. Not just Christianity but the whole lot of them every Religion.

Believe in God? Good for you! Don't believe? Good for you too! Want to shove beliefs down others throats and start wars over simple matters? Screw off!

axeman929
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 191 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:32:31 PM
Where does the bible say newborns are sinners? Jesus lamented that only if we were all like children'

axeman929
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 191 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:31:19 PM
I am not anti gay, only anti sin. Hate homesexuality no more than my own sin. Homosexuals just seem to like to flaunt their sin. My marriage, as much as I may have a license given me by my state, is ordained and accepted by God. If Homosexuals really even care about God they will search the whole bible themself and see if they find authorization for a marriage between two men or two women. If after searching the whole bible and they still see that the bible is silent on such a marriage, then they shouldnt do it. If God didnt authorize it then dont do it. Clearly sex outside of marriage according to biblical text is sin.












louisecstasy
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 87 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:30:36 PM
exactly :p

axeman929
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 191 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:23:19 PM
Jesus followed the old law of the old testament and fulfilled its prophesies. So, ya christians can look to the old testament for guidance. After all it was still the word and law of God. The references to slavery deal with the fact that even slaves through out history are deserving and probably more likely to gain salvation and everlasting life. It is more likely that a camel fit through the eye of a needle than a rich man inherit the kingdom.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 7:09:52 PM
They take Leviticus so seriously, and yet the Bible says many other things that have been tossed to the wayside, because they are outdated, or translated into today's world.


Not even that. They take *some verses* of Leviticus so seriously and toss other verses of Leviticus to the wayside. Quite often the preceeding or following verse to the one that is taken so seriously.

FrenchFry89
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 51 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 5:48:41 PM
This debate has been going on ever since I've been old enough to argue. The point that I always make is that these Christians seem to use what the Bible says when it suits them, and only then. They take Leviticus so seriously, and yet the Bible says many other things that have been tossed to the wayside, because they are outdated, or translated into today's world. It's only a matter of time before the entire Bible is rewritten to fit today's world. We now accept many different religions, many different faiths, so how can only one be used as argument? Separation of church and state, friends.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 5:42:25 PM
Jesus didn't say anything about this topic, but he did demonstrate that the rules and statues of the Old Testament were not so important anymore because the Jewish people had him instead of the Law (700-800 laws to be precise, of religious nature)


Do you believe that the statement explicitly attributed to Jesus as a direct quote from him in which he states that every one of the old laws must be obeyed absolutely until the end of the world is wrong?

Matthew 5:18

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11319 Posts
Saturday, April 10, 2010 5:36:16 PM
What have christians done but valiently stood up for their beliefs when being attacked by people too arrogant to see past their own ass?


Are you really so deluded that you think that's a reasonable question?

You advocate an ideology that has caused a vast amount of suffering for almost two millenia and you claim none of it happened and you're all victims.

How dare you!

Your blathering about hope, etc, would normally be offensive enough by itself (you're arguing that only Christians have trust, hope and optimism, etc), but your deceitful grasping after the power of false victimhood blots it out with its glaring offensiveness.

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