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Intelligent² Debate With Stephen Fry

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davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12052 Posts
Friday, April 09, 2010 10:30:50 PM
vv You find it, and submit it.

xhappyhourx
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 32 Posts
Tuesday, March 30, 2010 7:01:02 PM
I'm getting kinda tired of your anti-Christian posts. Where are the posts bashing other religions? Grow some balls.

greggpethers
Male, 18-29, Europe
 272 Posts
Monday, March 22, 2010 1:47:09 PM
stephen fry is a man for his generation.

so smart, incisive and true.

brilliant speech... impossible to ignore.

LtFurpie
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 1019 Posts
Monday, March 22, 2010 10:11:24 AM
I'm dissapointed, no Croco-duck?

splurbyburbl
Male, 30-39, Southern US
 2810 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:57:05 PM
Batman: "The line "let's not call it child abuse, let's call it child rape" is the perfect example of this. He is using a stronger word that people will react more emotionally to, when the weaker term is more accurate, if either of the two is."

Nice try at psychoanalysing his speech. There is nothing wrong with knowing how to speak to your audience. Hell, you wouldn't purchase anything as a consumer if your advertisers didn't know their audience and speak to you in ways that capture your attention and leave an impression. You act like this is a wrong thing. Well, it's not... but you are.

Also, did priests have sexual intercourse with young boys? YES

Is sex with minors termed as rape? YES

Then, is it called rape? YES

I don't see the problem here. Perhaps you are a pedophile and like to drat little boys? Did I capture your attention with the use of my language?

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11281 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:06:27 PM
people have opinions, if they're not the same as yours it doesn't matter, they're still just as valid.


Rubbish. What about, for example, the opinion that all prostitutes should be murdered? Or the opinion that everyone who doesn't obey a particular religion should be murdered? Or the opinion that molesting children should be legal? Or the opinion that racial segregation or deportation in the name of racial purity should be enforced? Or the opinion that forced marriages at the age of 8 are fine?

There are people who hold those opinions, and many other opinions just as bad. It is not true that all opinions are equally valid.

gingernut333
Female, 18-29, Europe
 825 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:34:41 PM
Stephen Fry is so inspirational to me and many others as these comments have shown me, I absolutely loved this video, thank you for posting it.

I think it's ridiculous that a religious debate has to start everytime something like this is brought up; people have opinions, if they're not the same as yours it doesn't matter, they're still just as valid.

Nick513
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 56 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:35:28 PM
Oh...I confused him with Phillip J. Fry..This is boring.

Skreshavik
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1288 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 10:00:09 AM
Can't speak for Break, but Cracked.com IS us. The Cracked crew are (literally) down the corridor.

Whoa...My big, Jewish friend says hi to the cracked team :D

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11281 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:08:11 AM
so quibbling over the historical validity of a single phrase is pointless, at best.


The distinction between a rational, reasonable argument and lying propaganda is more than a pointless quibble.

There is a way to tell - they kept records of executions. Such a case (and Fry states there were more than one) would have been important and controversial, so there would be records. If it happened.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11281 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 9:04:19 AM
I'm pretty certain that Joan of Arc was burned to death by the english but perhaps it's not a good example.


It's not a good example of someone burned to death in England for owning a bible in English, no. Not considering the fact that she was executed in France for picking one side in a civil war and might or might not have been burnt to death. Being burnt at the stake didn't necessarily mean being burnt to death - many of the people were killed first and then burned.

green_batman
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 730 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 8:32:03 AM
Max Normal: The point isn't to make the church change its position; the point is to convince other people that the church is wrong. Many people wouldn't want to do research, either out of mild or greater bias, or out of laziness. When you present the arguments to them and include real examples and studies, you are more likely to convince people of your point of view because you are controlling the information they get on the subject. I don't mean that to say that you should hide opposing facts, I mean that rather than a personal bias making them not want to do the research, you have presented the research to them, bypassing the barrier. This doesn't mean that everyone is easily convinced - some people are simply too stubborn and irrational - but you convince more people when you debate logically.

Max_Normal
Male, 30-39, Europe
 499 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 7:43:05 AM
"green_batman: I'm not trying to say that his entire talk was flawed. He did have some good points, but I would have wanted those arguing against the church to express the arguments in a much more strictly logical way."

If the church were remotely courageous enough to listen to logical arguments they would have ceased to exist long ago! In the meantime here is an anti-church rant-like trolling. Feel free to use Google to logically explain each of these points for yourself.

Evolution proof-denying, warmongering, kiddy-fiddling, spud-munching nail-bombing, AIDS-promoting, gay-hating, child-indoctrinating, government subverting, money-grabbing, artifact-destroying, overpopulating, poverty-causing, cure-denying, Jesus-creeping, sandle-wearing, god bothering, sanctimonius, buzz-killing, climate-change-denying, animal-abusing, lifestyle-destroying, blank-eyed, hive-minded, over-powered, archaeic meddling idiots. :0)

matrixie
Female, 18-29, Europe
 821 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:22:39 AM
*sigh* I could listen to him talk forever :D

TR-Wolf
Male, 18-29, Europe
 1565 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 5:10:46 AM
God I love Stephen Fry. He's a very funny comedian and TV presenter, but his intelligence and wisdom makes him all the more appealing.

Discobiscuit
Male, 18-29, Western US
 543 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:25:22 AM
I love how IAB claims to be neutral.

Regardless, why did he receive massive applause just for saying the system for assigning the clergy is really "messed up"? He didn't even state any reasons, and the audience is just like "woo yeah".

Zerocyde
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3279 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:12:42 AM
I love this man.

green_batman
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 730 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:50:28 AM
Ah, I'll correct my previous comment a bit. I missed the fact that he was literally referring to child rape.

I will use another example that stuck out: "It's hard for me to be told that I'm evil because I think of myself as someone who's filled with love." Anyone can claim to be "filled with love." The fact of the matter is, if you commit wrong acts with intent and frequency, you are an evil person. I am not saying that he is evil, but that his argument cannot be applied equally to anyone, so it is flawed.

I'm not trying to say that his entire talk was flawed. He did have some good points, but I would have wanted those arguing against the church to express the arguments in a much more strictly logical way.

Tisjokar
Male, 18-29, Australia
 991 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:37:14 AM
Woah, fry owned that lol

green_batman
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 730 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:36:38 AM
I agree with the sentiment that the Catholic Church is very deeply flawed, but the manner in which he made his argument was also very deeply flawed. He brought up a few examples that were generally valid, but he spent most of his time using emotional appeal.

The line "let's not call it child abuse, let's call it child rape" is the perfect example of this. He is using a stronger word that people will react more emotionally to, when the weaker term is more accurate, if either of the two is.

When one is trying to make an argument against an irrational entity, it is generally most favorable to use rational debate techniques.

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12052 Posts
Sunday, March 21, 2010 12:02:11 AM
Zuki, it was a joke. Frig me till I come, it wasn't even my joke, and yet I find myself here defending it. Correctly pointing out that Stephen Fry is homosexual ~~~ the role of fatherhood in child development? Talk about a leap of logic...

Zuki
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 161 Posts
Saturday, March 20, 2010 11:24:59 PM
"Mr. Fry cannot be your father, he likes placing his genetic material into men not women."

So you are saying that the only way to be a father is to place genetic material into women?

This also implys that the only father you have is the one that was used for the genetic material used in your creation.

So then step fathers, adopted fathers, and any other type of atypical father is not a father?

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12052 Posts
Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:30:15 PM
so who won the debate??

Fry owned it like a c*ck, Kinjo. Owned it like a c*ck.

kinjomusashi
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 920 Posts
Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:27:45 PM
so who won the debate??

bwahahahahhaha...sorry, just being a sarcastic wise-ass...

davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12052 Posts
Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:24:53 PM
Sorry, double post.

Let's hope Break.com or cracked has more common sense than this site does.

Can't speak for Break, but Cracked.com IS us. The Cracked crew are (literally) down the corridor.

Exercise: Scroll to the very bottom of this page. Hit up www.cracked.com and repeat.

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