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Q: You're A High School With A Lesbian Student

Hits: 37753 | Rating: (2.7) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: eugenius
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xXKaryXx
Female, 13-17, Western US
 640 Posts
Tuesday, March 16, 2010 8:51:15 AM
thats just drated up

ansurdu
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 40 Posts
Monday, March 15, 2010 9:27:26 PM
@linkenberger

just wait until we're a minority everywhere! Then we get to have all the fun minorities get!

Narikotsu
Female, 13-17, Midwest US
 165 Posts
Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:35:21 PM
Linkenberger
Male, 18-29, Canada
260 Posts Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:52:49 PM
I've been thinking. Blacks get Black History Month, gays get Gay Pride Parades, Irish get St. Patricks Day (I mean really, we're celebrating a holiday concerning the history of Ireland?), Christians get a couple commercialized holidays, but what do the general white people get? Shouldn't there be a white pride day, or a parade for caucasians?

One of these days my bemusings will get me killed.

Really? Dude, every month is white history month.


SoundlesHero
Male, 18-29, Western US
 63 Posts
Sunday, March 14, 2010 4:27:48 AM
3) let the young men at the prom enjoy being a man and understand that things like that wont happen unless they make it rain

HAHAHAHA!! I was 14 when I got into the Roaring 20's in S.F. First time I saw girls making out and doing much, much more. I remember thinking " How can I get the hot lesbian couple at my school to do this for free?" At the strip cub, I used the 5/hr job at a gas station (illegaly too btw) to pay for it, but the lesbian couple? All it took was three Boone's Farms and Green Day tickets. Amazing night. I'm Still friends with both of them...sigh...Good ol' days...


Pilanus
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 674 Posts
Saturday, March 13, 2010 10:01:36 PM
I was free to go to prom with my boyfriend, but we didn't really care to spend $200 per person just to get in, plus limo, dinner, etc... so we just attended the after-prom

Linkenberger
Male, 18-29, Canada
 1166 Posts
Saturday, March 13, 2010 3:52:50 PM
I've been thinking. Blacks get Black History Month, gays get Gay Pride Parades, Irish get St. Patricks Day (I mean really, we're celebrating a holiday concerning the history of Ireland?), Christians get a couple commercialized holidays, but what do the general white people get? Shouldn't there be a white pride day, or a parade for caucasians?

One of these days my bemusings will get me killed.


burritosb
Female, 30-39, Canada
 64 Posts
Saturday, March 13, 2010 8:11:39 AM
I'm unclear if she attends a public high school or a religious private high school.

If it's a public high school, then she has every right to bring her date. However, if she is attending a religious privately run high school then I would back the school's decision.

When one attends a private school, there are rules that one AGREES to abide by, whether archaic or not.

If there are rules regarding same-sex relationships at this high school and she agreed to the terms enforced by the school, then she must obey them or attend a different facility.

Maybe I've just opened another can of worms here...


Raberboom
Male, 18-29, Western US
 833 Posts
Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:41:18 AM
i went to one prom in khaki shorts, i wasnt sposed too, but eh who cares.

mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 431 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 10:13:57 PM
Actually Pui the requirements for prom can much more or much less than being in the graduating class.
Also, I don't know if you've been to school down here but no one cares where you want to "enroll" your assigned a high school based on your address of course there are ways around it but its not like the school really cares "Oh no kids aren't gonna like this" if that was the case they would've never cancelled the prom.

pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 9:42:18 PM
I agree somewhat, but usually more is required than that (ie: you must be male and must do 30 documented hours of charity work) to get the scholarship. (also, like I said, these race/gender scholarships are only created usually because someone wants to appear tolerant lol)

And none of these are still the same as not allowing someone to a prom, which is something that everyone in the class is allowed to attend.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11494 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 9:30:08 PM
The whole point of a scholarship is that you have to meet the specifications in order to be rewarded it. Would you say the art scholarship is being hostile because it doesn't accept people who excel in science? No, that would be silly

The difference is in *what* is required. When the requirement is to have the "right" biological factor, it is different.

Example 1: To be considered for this job, you must have a degree in mechanical engineering.

Example 2: To be considered for this job, you must be male.

Not the same thing at all.


pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 5:44:30 PM
Eh, and personally I liked how it was done at my school. WE, the students, were responsible for raising money for and organizing our own prom.

Somehow I doubt many parents would want to enroll their child into a school (a public school especially) and be expected to foot part of the bill for prom night. There are many other schools that will either foot the bill or teach the kids responsibility by getting them to foot the bill.


pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 5:41:57 PM
They didn't "violate her rights". The prom was scheduled for May of this year. They didn't stand in the door and tell her she couldn't enter.

They said she wouldn't be able to attend with her girlfriend. No it wasn't on the night of the prom, but they weren't going to allow her to go. Just because they retaliated and canceled the prom in an attempt to not look like bigots doesn't mean they weren't being bigots.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 5:11:46 PM
pui: They didn't "violate her rights". The prom was scheduled for May of this year. They didn't stand in the door and tell her she couldn't enter.
The prom was canceled, So no "violation" took place.

As I said before, The parents need to form their own event without the school participating in it.
This is how the proms and after prom parties were handled for our class. It was not deemed an "extra-curricular activity" either and the school had no say in the rules or who could or couldn't go. They weren't held on school property either.

It's a much better arrangement for all involved and political stunts like this don't occur.


pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 4:05:13 PM
it's not hostile to say "To Qualify for this scholarship you need to be 18 years old, have a 70% average and be christian"

It is hostile to say "Everyone is invited except you".

(Plus everyone knows those scholarships for African Americans and such only exist because the school granting them want to look more politically correct lol)


pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 3:56:23 PM
you should consider the school's actions acceptable on the basis that the purpose is not to be hostile to those who do not meet the requirements of the prom, it's simply to offer a prom.

That is not the same thing at all. There are scholarships for everything, students gifted in arts or sports, students who have high grades, students who have slightly lower grades, students who did a special activity, students who are in a certain age group, ectect. The whole point of a scholarship is that you have to meet the specifications in order to be rewarded it. Would you say the art scholarship is being hostile because it doesn't accept people who excel in science? No, that would be silly

A Prom on the other hand is supposed to be for all the graduating students. It's only requirement is that you are in the graduating class.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11494 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 3:41:15 PM
A scholarship for women or a selected race is not expressing "an irrational attitude of hostility directed against an individual, a group, a race, or their supposed characteristics". It's purpose is not to be hostile against those who do not meet the requirements of said scholarship, it's simply to offer a scholarship.

By the same argument, you should consider the school's actions acceptable on the basis that the purpose is not to be hostile to those who do not meet the requirements of the prom, it's simply to offer a prom.

Except that it isn't, in either case. When something exists deliberately and specifically for the purpose of excluding people who aren't the "right" sex, "race", sexual orientation or whatever, its purpose is that exclusion.


pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 3:14:51 PM
1) She asked permission to bring her girlfriend to prom because she knew that previous years same-sex couples were banned and she knew very well that if she had just showed up at prom she would have been turned away.
2) She called in that organization after the school violated her rights. That organization insisted that they let her bring her girlfriend to prom and they still said no, so that organization brought it to the public eye.
3) Because they refused to just let her go to prom. If they didn't repeatedly violate her rights, she wouldn't have gone the legal route.
4) Like what? Like pretend she wasn't with her girlfriend? (Maybe the tux thing is too far, but like I've said before it's not like they were going to let her go if she wore a dress instead.)

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 3:10:30 PM
pui: You are forgetting the facts here.

1) She brought the issue up an told them she was going to wear a tuxedo and bring her gf.
2) She brought on the media attention.
3) She is the one filing legal actions.
4) She could've found alternative ways to go and not be so confrontational about it.


pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 2:52:09 PM
You're saying she shouldn't have asked to bring her girlfriend at all and just pretended to be straight.

pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 2:45:41 PM
If a school decided they weren't going to "do" prom anymore, I doubt many new students would enroll there when every other school would still do a prom. Also, I'm sure the bad rep that school is going to get from the media won't help them attract new students either.

All she wanted was to go to prom with her girlfriend. That is not "forcing her 'lifestyle choice'" on people. That is merely wanting an equal opportunity.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17130 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 2:35:59 PM
"... in the real world those rules WILL change because they are a violation of rights."

No they won't, And I'll tell you how they won't.
The school just won't be a participant in the prom anymore. The responsibility of the prom will fall onto the parents shoulders, That will make it a private event and not subject to being sued.

"All this girl is trying to do is get the same opportunity as everyone else has.."

Wrong, She wanted media attention and to force her "lifestyle choice" onto her school. Well she has the attention now, Only it's not the kind she wanted. She mistakenly believed they'd exclude only her and she'd get a cash settlement. (When someone says it's "About principle" they are usually lying, It's almost always about money and attention).


mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 431 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 1:13:45 PM
What's funny is I remember when interracial couple were taboo and they just went to the prom and poo was fine they were just 2 people going to the prom together, eventually things changed. I think that making a supreme court case out of everything makes things worse rather than help change it.

Why is it a big deal that they are two lesbians going to prom aren't they just two people going to together like anybody else stop letting your sexuality define who you are and you'll be a lot happier.
How would the school even know they were a gay couple if they showed up @ prom together even if she was wearing a tux.

How would they know your in a relationship?
If they met at the prom would it be an issue?
These girls planned for a fight while everyone else was planning for prom that's the issue everyone is having with this whole situation girls are just looking to be the next controversy in spite of ruining everyone elses prom.


Cleat_us
Male, 30-39, Canada
 57 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 12:38:49 PM
this is still happening?? Gotta remove all these old farts in power and replace them with forward thinkers... who cares who is with who and what they are wearing so long as they respect the people around them. I blame all you who either never voted or voted for George Bush for a second time.. You Americans are your own worst friends.

pui
Female, 18-29, Canada
 3550 Posts
Friday, March 12, 2010 11:53:23 AM
Even If they are found to be sober they are treated as if they aren't until proven otherwise.

Suspecting that someone is drunk isn't prejudice. A cop doesn't suspect you're drunk based on no clues, he suspects it because you have alcohol on your breath, or you were driving strangely. He then is obligated to check you so he doesn't lose his badge by releasing what could be a drunk driver, so he breathalyzes you and... oh! Looks like you're under the legal limit! You're good to go!

All this girl is trying to do is get the same opportunity as everyone else has: to take her date to the prom and have a nice night.

They didn't make these rules up, Just because of her. They'd been around for a long time.

We can argue at each other until we're blue in the face, but in the real world those rules WILL change because they are a violation of rights. The school is not a religious or private institution and it isn't within their right to enforce bigotry. Perio


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