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mercedzdanz
Male, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:26:43 AM
"God chooses to kill innocent believers to control population?"

I didn't say that.

On a side note, questions like the justice of God, although I am intellectually convinced on how natural disasters and such can coexist with God, I am always emotionally unconvinced (Haiti, 911, Tsunamis, etc.).


mercedzdanz
Male, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:24:00 AM
"Again, no it's not. Logic is method of thinking and problem solving, while "God" is a conceptual being who's "rule" over the masses is not to be contested as stated by the bible. You are trying to make comparisons between unlike things."

I think the similarities between logic and God are important enough to make that analogy, and the differences between logic and God does not refute the analogy. They are both immaterial or conceptual by nature, they are independent of the physical world for existence, but their manifestation to the physical world does not have a bearing on its existence. The fact that logic can be defined this way and that God can be defined another way, or better yet, math can be defined this way and art can be defined that way doesn't preclude their analogies.


mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 356 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:14:34 AM
Idk read around theirs different teachings I don't believe god kills thousands of people in the name of justice.

bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:10:53 AM
decrease in mortality rates.

bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:09:39 AM
"The justice of God, to be honest with you, is the toughest aspect of God. Also, to only describe God as kind and fair, although is necessary, but not sufficient to describe God. God, by definition is also just. The thing that helps me, and you can just simply disagree with me on this, is that theists believe that death is not the final outcome. You can probably at this point think of the Marxian definition of 'opiate of the masses' to control the population, etc. But that explanation does not necessarily preclude the existence of God."

This in itself is conflicting, because it implies that God makes judgment without reason. I am not a believer but I live, and live well despite God. God chooses to kill innocent believers to control population? That doesn't even make any sense since "God" has been "killing" innocents for thousands of years, and only in the age of industrialization and medical advancement our population has boomed, with a decrease in mor


mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 356 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:07:00 AM
Well mercedzdanz based on your example of david hoping to be reunited with his son the plausible answer all depends on what teachings you believe, and the answer to your question BumbleBB

bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 11:04:43 AM
"Ok, it's also like saying. Logic is used to justify killing millions of innocents, therefore logic is not real. Logic is not physical, it is immaterial."

Again, no it's not. Logic is method of thinking and problem solving, while "God" is a conceptual being who's "rule" over the masses is not to be contested as stated by the bible. You are trying to make comparisons between unlike things. You're not really a lawyer are you? If you are, you are robbing people of their hard earned money, because you clearly do not understand how to make appropriate analogies and logical comparisons.


mercedzdanz
Male, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:46:17 AM
"No it's not, because Hitler was physical man. He was here. It's a fact. God is a faith. The God concept also purports that he kind and fair, so yes the killing of innocents raises issues for me. It's sort of conflicting don't you think? It's not a fallacy."

Ok, it's also like saying. Logic is used to justify killing millions of innocents, therefore logic is not real. Logic is not physical, it is immaterial.

The justice of God, to be honest with you, is the toughest aspect of God. Also, to only describe God as kind and fair, although is necessary, but not sufficient to describe God. God, by definition is also just. The thing that helps me, and you can just simply disagree with me on this, is that theists believe that death is not the final outcome. You can probably at this point think of the Marxian definition of 'opiate of the masses' to control the population, etc. But that explanation does not necessarily preclude the existence of God.


bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:12:22 AM
A common fallacy that atheists like to assert is that they deny the existence of God because the "Judeo-Christian concept of God does not meet their expectations. They will ask questions like, I don't believe in God because God is a murderer of innocents. It's like me saying, I don't believe in the existence of Hitler because he committed such atrocities"

No it's not, because Hitler was physical man. He was here. It's a fact. God is a faith. The God concept also purports that he kind and fair, so yes the killing of innocents raises issues for me. It's sort of conflicting don't you think? It's not a fallacy.


Skreshavik
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1288 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:11:46 AM
Lol, I just mixed everything up.
Aluminum compounds, they screw up your mind more than you think.

Skreshavik
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1288 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:08:42 AM
Ah, I mixed up what Davy said.
Please disregard all my comments until further notice ^^

I'm gonna sleep now.


mercedzdanz
Male, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:06:59 AM
We also hear of John the Baptist being filled with the Holy Spirit from the womb, which is only given to believers.

A common fallacy that atheists like to assert is that they deny the existence of God because the Judeo-Christian concept of God does not meet their expectations. They will ask questions like, I don't believe in God because God is a murderer of innocents. It's like me saying, I don't believe in the existence of Hitler because he committed such atrocities.


bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:06:31 AM
"This sort of segways into your question BumbleBB, and if anything, we know that Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the clear rejection of God's revelation--whether general or specific--not simple ignorance of it. Luke 10:16; John 12:48; 1 Thess. 4:8."

I have more concern with the ignorance of sin. Is this not a problem?


mercedzdanz
Male, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:04:01 AM
"Out of curiosity which bible version and verse are you claiming says all babies are born Christians?"

I'm not dogmatic about this issue because this is a pretty "sticky" gray issue in the Bible. Passages like Second Samuel 12:23 shows that David wanted to be with his dead baby and expects to be reunited with him. We know that David was a believer and united with God. Admittedly, this is less than stalwart.

Also, Matthew 18:1-6, and 19;13-15 affirms Lord's love for them.

This sort of segways into your question BumbleBB, and if anything, we know that Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the clear rejection of God's revelation--whether general or specific--not simple ignorance of it. Luke 10:16; John 12:48; 1 Thess. 4:8.

I would have to refer you to a minister of the faith.


bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:02:50 AM
you think we're genetically programmed to be Christians? Mines broken.

Skreshavik
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1288 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 10:00:24 AM
Mmm...murder ball.
Not saying that there's a void of intelligence, but that there can be a DNA strand that says "Hey, you're Christian", as with the school of thought on homosexuality.

mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 356 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:55:40 AM
mercedzdanz

bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:55:14 AM
mischief who are you asking?

mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 356 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:49:13 AM
Out of curiosity which bible version and verse are you claiming says all babies are born Christians?

bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:48:42 AM
I kinda figured about the Nihilism thing, but what was that about Descartes? By blank slate are you assuming Davymid means void of intelligence? It's pretty obvious that we're born smart and with instinct, but there is absolutely nothing beyond speculation that we believe in a greater power at birth. I think it's natural to believe in something beyond yourself. I, for example, growing up in an atheist home (though I would have had no idea.) imagined that all the planets made up a great big huge guy and the tree's were the hair on him. Doesn't make sense, but it comforts us in times of loneliness to believe we are part of something bigger. It can easily be seen as an adaptive advantage of species that is so intelligent, it becomes depressed when it cannot find a solution, and invents a reason to continue. Advance the Species. My motto.

I know you're just kind of randomly tossing balls here, but you've sort of unwittingly entered a game a murder ball. Just a heads up.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 12051 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:45:38 AM
There are many supernatural things in the Bible that seem contrary to the naturalistic explanation that the scientific method offers... However, keep in mind that if you adhere to the view that the naturalistic explanation is omniscient and the sole arbiter of truth, you have presumed it and defined out any supernatural explanation.

Seriously, are you high?


mischeif954
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 356 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:38:49 AM
Babies are not born christian in any of the the christian denominations or Catholicism.... the purpose of baptism's and christenings are?

Skreshavik
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1288 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:38:14 AM
Mm, yea, lemme gather my ramblings together lol.

The first comment about the Nihilist was just rambling.

The point I'm trying to make now is that there's the possibility that we aren't born a clean slate. Such as with genetics.
Though, I know next to nothing about the science of genetics, so I'm just throwing it out.


bumbleBB
Female, 18-29, Canada
 1116 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:37:55 AM
"I believe in that statement because I believe it reasonably follows from the Bible, which I hold as an authoritative source of the truth. There are many supernatural things in the Bible that seem contrary to the naturalistic explanation that the scientific method offers."

BUT WHAT ABOUT MY EXAMPLE OF PEOPLE NOT EXPOSED TO CHRISTIANITY!?!?!?! Someone please address it.


mercedzdanz
Male, 18-29, Western US
 93 Posts
Monday, February 15, 2010 9:34:55 AM
"I'm not trying to get at anything, bub. I'm trying to point out how retarded your statement of "I believe babies can be born Christians" is."

I believe in that statement because I believe it reasonably follows from the Bible, which I hold as an authoritative source of the truth. There are many supernatural things in the Bible that seem contrary to the naturalistic explanation that the scientific method offers. My biggest point is probably that if you presume the view that everything can only be explained naturalistically, then yeah, it is rubbish to believe that babies are born as Christians. However, keep in mind that if you adhere to the view that the naturalistic explanation is omniscient and the sole arbiter of truth, you have presumed it and defined out any supernatural explanation.


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