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US Missionaries in Haiti Charged w Child Abduction

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theferret
Female, 18-29, Western US
 213 Posts
Wednesday, February 10, 2010 4:20:06 AM
i thought the camel thing at the bottom of the page was a lot more interesting...

StudentOfMan
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 351 Posts
Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:43:27 PM
@ ohthedrama, actually that does happen, that's why you sign your 1040, just ask Willie Nelson.

The fact that this group had a religious affiliation is a red herring. If this had been some other non-profit they would probably be slapped on the hand and asked to return the children or go through the proper channels. The is a reason the Dominican Republican has had strained relations with Haiti for so long and Haitians are climbing into bathtubs to set sail for the States. Truth be told I don't think anyone is innocent here, these people saw an opportunity to circumvent he corrupt government during a crisis and took it; but the government does have a point that child trafficking is a real concern. Who really knows, bu they made their choice and now they have to deal wih the repercussions.


Skreshavik
Female, 18-29, Western US
 1288 Posts
Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:45:37 PM
I want your mind, OldOllie.

madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6458 Posts
Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:30:57 PM
These religious kooks need to be banned from brainwashing brown babies.

turbopuppy
Male, 30-39, Western US
 158 Posts
Sunday, February 07, 2010 9:54:04 AM
Most corrupt nation ever. Juarez sends cops to Haiti for training.

Baelzar
Male, 40-49, Western US
 1400 Posts
Sunday, February 07, 2010 7:04:35 AM
They didn't bribe the right guy, and now they're paying for it. It's that simple.

The righteous anger BS is laughable, especially from Haiti.


ohthedrama
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 162 Posts
Sunday, February 07, 2010 2:30:32 AM
The story seems pretty self explanitory. Haitians give children to group. Group tries to leave Haiti. Haiti thinks they kidnapped them. Kidnapping at the core level is stealing. They were given these children. There was no stealing here. If anything they are guilty of not going through proper channels. Intentional? No one knows that one. I seriously doubt it has anything to do with being holier than thou. That's just yet another knee jerk reaction to a group of people who simply just got caught without proper papers. This would be like getting your tax return from some third party company only to find out they didn't do it right and the IRS arrests you for tax fraud.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 14351 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:18:40 PM
I have no idea what's going on in this story, and anyone who says he does is full of poo.

I do find it hard to believe, though, that a bunch of church ladies from Idaho went down to Haiti to kidnap a bunch of kids so they could sell them for profit. I find it easier to believe that they got crosswise with the Haitian government because they tried to sneak these kids out without paying the $20,000 per child "administrative fee" the government is demanding from foreigners to adopt orphans.


thelonious
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3246 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 10:02:46 PM
In general I don't think it's ever a good thing to kidnap people. I don't know what moran thought this wasn't kidnapping.

Younglink
Male, 18-29, Western US
 95 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:13:17 PM
I read LA Times version of the story, so I didn't read this one. But the version I read, I didn't see anything that would allude to these missionaries thinking that they were better than the next guy.

The whole point of Christians doing this work is that we aren't doing it for us, we are doing God's work with our hands.


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 9:00:51 PM
> Younglink
> Lion - are you trying to convince me, and others, that helping others in need is wrong?

No, I'm saying that helping others in need is a natural part of the human psyche, and has nothing to do with religion. It's when you start thinking you're someone special because you do it that you need your head checked.


spartan448
Male, 18-29, Canada
 46 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:29:46 PM
Good, I hate those "holier than thou" people that don't think they have to follow mans law, because they are children of God, they deserve what's coming to them

Aramil
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 321 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 8:23:02 PM
Those people broke Haitian law, and are rightly charged as such. If the law is not obeyed then there is no law at all.

TacoForPaco
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 27 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:44:49 PM
While I do believe they acted with an admirable intent, I think it was stupid to run into a country and expect to shuttle kids across the border without any papers.

Mornaf
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 821 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 7:41:22 PM
Really, yes, what they were doing is noble, but dammit use the proper paperwork.
Yes, they should be tried in Haiti, being "told by god" to do something does not place you above the law.

evanstonian8
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 76 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 6:17:51 PM
I suppose the argument might be that: if someone commits looting in the midst of chaos (where the government did not have the capacity to support it's own citizens) should the offender be punished? I suppose if the looter was taking a flat screen TV then the crime might be just what it looks like. But, if someone is acting because they fear imminent danger or harm and the government is not present (for all practical purposes), then the law should be applied in a more individualized way.

So, let them go with a warning and tell Haiti that until they have an effective remedy for this issue, that they have to look at each case individually.


ElSombrero
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 720 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:15:56 PM
Well, there is a bit if controversy. While I'm all for people helping other people, there are rumors that some people have been approached with money for the children.

While I'm not saying that they need... or can monitor every helper... a near lawless land in disaster is perfect for child traffickers, so it's wise to be cautious.

I think we don't know what's going on exactly. The Haitians likely don't either. So, in my opinion, a third party, the UN perhaps, should intervene and try to sort out the case.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 17123 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:08:54 PM
"No good deed ever goes unpunished. Another instance where the Letter of the law is followed instead of the spirit of the law."

Well said, These kids were not being sold or 'trafficked' Haiti was in horrible shape before the earthquake, Now it's chaos. Who wouldn't want to rescue orphans from that ?


Younglink
Male, 18-29, Western US
 95 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:04:06 PM
Where is the self-righteousness or big-headedness in giving up personal time to help others. US missionaries are STILL helping out Katrina victims when other institutions stopped.

Lion - are you trying to convince me, and others, that helping others in need is wrong?


GothicQueen
Male, 13-17, Africa
 4412 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:02:43 PM
I can't believe anyone actually thinks they should stay in jail. they AREN'T KIDNAPPERS. Their hearts were in the right places and it seems to be a huge misunderstanding.

Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:48:31 PM
99% of Australia's reputation for its treatment of Aborigines comes from the Stolen Generations.

The type of Christians who send missionaries out, because they are self-righteous and convinced they are better than everyone else, seem to think anything they do is automatically right. They obviously haven't learned a thing in almost 200 years.


Younglink
Male, 18-29, Western US
 95 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:40:14 PM
I honestly don't see how this is even disputed.

1) These missionaries are from the US, but they are NOT the government. The money is coming from the goodness of our hearts.

2) I can see why they were arrested - they didn't have documentation of the kids. So obviously the suspicion of child trafficking is there. - However, if their stories hold up, which I'm sure they will, there is no reason to jail them.

The children were handed over by some parents because the parents wanted the BEST for them. I hope I would do the same in the situation. The parents showed true sacrificial love and gave up their own rights.

Rules are there for a reason, in this case I think there should be exceptions. Hopefully the judge will see the intention instead of the rules.

I hope and pray for the best of these children, that they won't be left hungry or homeless.


Paul1582
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 674 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:11:01 PM
@mervviscious

Did you read it? The kids' parents had either both died, or one had died and the other had abandoned them.

Did you read it? It says 21 of the kids' parents just handed them over to the missionaries.


wslonger
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 103 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 3:02:14 PM
The US needs to stop helping other countries we have enough of our own problems, The US government is bankrupting itself.

Farsidedown
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 424 Posts
Saturday, February 06, 2010 2:38:18 PM
they were trying to move orphans to an orphanage in a neighboring country.

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