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Last Summer Vacation Photo Before We Go Home [Pic]

Hits: 28679 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: Funny | Added by: fancylad
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BrittLizee
Female, 18-29, Western US
 13 Posts
Wednesday, October 28, 2009 8:32:25 PM
It is part of their religion and culture but because they grew up with it, why should it bother them...

michael24895
Male, 13-17, Western US
 95 Posts
Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:41:07 AM
NINJAS!!!

magoo22
Male, 30-39, Australia
 663 Posts
Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:25:38 PM
This is a funny photo because the guys in the background are wearing matching red tee's.
They probably say "I'm with stoopid"..LOL

magoo22
Male, 30-39, Australia
 663 Posts
Saturday, September 05, 2009 10:23:32 PM
Ha Ha!...Funny photo!....the guys in the baackground are wearing matching red tee's. LOL

n00buler89
Male, 13-17, Southern US
 56 Posts
Friday, September 04, 2009 10:23:17 AM
I don't see anything funny about this picture.

xattributex
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 144 Posts
Thursday, September 03, 2009 5:45:11 PM
"Baalthazaq, Are you really trying to con everyone into thinking muslim women dress like that because they want to?"

Thats an ignorant question... don't get culture and religion mixed up...
And if you do think its all Mulsim women, go to your local mosque and ask them for yourself, rather then making an assumption to people who aren't educated on their subject. I've never, EVER, met any female Muslim who has felt forced to wear anything they didn't want to.


Binary101
Male, 13-17, Asia
 850 Posts
Thursday, September 03, 2009 12:47:03 PM
what's wrong with them wearing a hajab?

Angelmassb
Male, 18-29, S. America
 15498 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:37:15 PM
You can still see their eyes

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:24:05 PM
Sorry, the Indonesian example comes from Wikipedia, here. My experience, around the world, has been equatable to the Indonesian description, not the fanciful tales of Angillion.

You'll notice most countries, even in the mid east, the discussion is around the headscarf ban, not the headscarf enforcement.

the idea that it is "obviously forced" because no-one would want to wear it voluntarily, is only viable as an argument for social coercion, which then applies to (as I said) high heels, corsets, and many other impractical things people do for fashion.

You're seriously saying women wouldn't wear a particular type of hat if it was fashionable because it was silly?

Well I guess I can't argue with that...


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:18:32 PM
I count about 10 arguments, which are "both"?
1) They are not Burqas. Islam Online agrees.
2) It is not universally enforced, nor should it be, nor was I arguing for such.
3) Saudi has pooty laws which is what you get when you let criminals out early if they agree to be your religious police.
4) Even Agillion knows the specifics of the dress code are not outlined in the Quran.
5) If something is not mandatory, it isn't a requirement.
6) You have no experience with Muslim women. I have. for the most part it is women who coerce other women into wearing the veil, if there is any coercion at all.
7) This is the case in the majority of Muslim countries, with notable exceptions being: Saudi, Iran, Sudan, Afghanistan.
8) Take the excerpt from Indonesia for example: In daily practice, the jilbab is more of a fashion accessory and status symbol for fashionable women to wear their latest haute couture, expensive branded scarves.

Shtiv
Male, 18-29, Australia
 93 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:02:07 PM
Baalthazaq

I have read both of your arguments and you are genuinely clutching at straws.


phillychick
Female, 30-39, Southern US
 11 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 12:28:27 PM
Why the hell do they bother taking pictures???? LOL.....idiots.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 7:07:14 AM
On the issue of Stoning; Even wikipedia says "Stoning is found nowhere in the Quran", yet you're happy to insinuate this is a Islamic practice rather than a cultural one.

Additionally:
1) All punishments in the Quran are the maximum allowable, not the minimum as you seem to suggest. The Quran also suggests imprisonment for adulterers, and furthermore suggests that all punishments can be waved by the victim of any crime, or the family of the victim. Thus negating entirely your claims of "requirement", but the drama was spectacular.

2) Given the choice of a federal prison, for oh, say 5 years, and flogging, which would you choose?

Your deterrent for crime is not lack of freedom, it is the threat of constant rape and violence in an enclosed space with other criminals.

Would you like to see some pictures of "home made" prison weapons? I assure you they're more severe than the flogging.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:15:49 AM
"It isn't the same at all"

It is exactly the same. My sister wears the veil voluntarily and has no problems. My other sister wears the veil not at all and has no problems.

I'm not condoning forcing anyone to do anything.

The veil is therefore comparable to stupid fashions worldwide, which are socially enforced. Your insertion of extra criteria which you have a problem with is a separate issue. You are combining the two and then trying to defeat the veil on it's own.

Considering most veiling debates of recent note are the banning of the garment in France and Holland, I'd say if anything, NOT wearing the veil is a sign of oppression. Not vice versa in those countries.

But hey, beat the everliving poo out of that point, go nuts. Coercion is bad. Hell, even pretend I disagree. Just don't pretend you've touched upon the issue of veiling yet.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 6:10:02 AM
Sigh, Angillion, it's not about coverage any more than the shorts/lederhosen example.

Either way the coverage matches Niqab most closely. It is a Niqab. That's what it is. That is the definition. Does it cover the eyes with a METAL GRATE? No? Not a Burqa. Never will be a Burqa, please read the respondents who answered me with "Of course it's not a burqa".

drat, it even has descriptions with the pictures:
"The niqab is a veil for the face that leaves the area around the eyes clear." Say what you see.

The Burqa: "covers the entire face and body, leaving just a mesh screen to see through".

How about just trusting the middle easterner on middle eastern terms?

You are clearly incompetent at even basic visual recognition when it comes to your prejudices. It's astounding. Seriously, just read the text and look at the picture.

It. Isn't. A. Burqa. You lose x1000.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11060 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:17:28 AM
"Are you seriously suggesting women wear miniskirts in -5 degree weather because they want to? How about high heels? Breast implants? Botox?"

None of those are *required*. A woman in this country doesn't have to worry about being jailed, beaten or whipped if she doesn't conform to the things you refer to. She doesn't even have to worry about being ostracised, or even about people disapproving of her for not dressing that way, having botox and breast implants.

Does that make sense to anyone? Does anyone know any woman who has been criticised at all, let alone jailed or beaten, for not wearing a miniskirt in all weathers, not always wearing high heals, not having breast implants and/or not having botox?

So it isn't the same at all. You're grasping comically at straws.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11060 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 5:16:24 AM
"Not that I think this will impact Agillion who is knower of all despite evidence to the contrary, but here is a fairly good list of different Islamic veils:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/505-musl...
"

Excellent.

Now look at the photo and look at the images you have decided are accurate (above, the link you gave).

And the closest match in terms of coverage is?


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11060 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 4:57:51 AM
"Also, torture is not required. I do object. I know my religion, I know it better than you do."

It is required, even the precise type and quantity is specified. Try Sura 24:2, for example.

Would you like to see videos of examples? This is not something made up. It is Islam. It's right there in the Quran, so you're on very dodgy ground objecting to it. But congratulations anyway - you're the first Muslim I've encountered who has objected to it and I've been looking for a couple of years know, ever since a Muslim opened my eyes to the reality behind the pretty facade.

The only thing I'm not sure on is what happens if the victims dies during the flogging - is that enough or is the corpse flogged to get to the mandatory 100 strokes?

Also, bear in mind that is the *lesser* penalty. Stoning to death is favoured by some Muslims, but the Islamic basis for that is much less clear.


User
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 5 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 3:30:01 AM
meh

airf50
Male, 18-29, Australia
 44 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 2:53:23 AM
who decided to post this here??

im not religious, but i dont find this funny.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:29:17 AM
And madest,
1) Why would I answer a loaded question?
2) Why haven't you answered my (unloaded) question?

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:26:50 AM
Not that I think this will impact Agillion who is knower of all despite evidence to the contrary, but here is a fairly good list of different Islamic veils:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/505-musl...


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:19:40 AM
Lets make this a little clearer.

If I told you, you had nice pants. It doesn't matter that you call them trousers. You would still get the concept. If I called them Lederhosen , it's just wrong.

"It's kinda like what you westerners wear though" is ignorant, but an honest mistake.

"THEY'RE LEDERHOSEN! Lots of my friends call them lederhosen! I MUST WIN THIS!" is just willful deliberate forced ignorance. It's vomit worthy. It's what you're doing.

The Burqa is a very specific cultural dress. It is not what 99.7% of Muslim women wear.
Only 10% wear any Niqab at all.
30% wear full Abaya.

60% wear the Hijab, Sheilah or other replacement.

I know this. You do not. How about just admitting your mistake instead of fighting the lederhosen battle like an idiot?


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, September 02, 2009 1:09:29 AM
I shouldn't be surprised you cannot see the connection Madest.

Angilion, your post only demonstrates my point... Islam Online does not refer to the Niqab as a Burka. They use the word Burka to refer to a Burka, and even in the picture refer to it as a head to toe covering, and differentiate between the Burka wore by the lady in the article, and the Hijab ruling in schools earlier.

Additionally: Common ignorance is not knowledge. It doesn't matter if 4Chan doesn't know what a Burka is.

Also, torture is not required. I do object. I know my religion, I know it better than you do. Your conclusions, as they have always been, are not logical conclusions from argument. They are your starting points, your prejudices, and you will never, despite evidence presented, diverge from them.

If you want us to be comic book villains, fair enough, but don't pretend to be doing so from some enlightened standpoint.


boredfjord
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 932 Posts
Tuesday, September 01, 2009 10:24:54 PM
"Why you racist IAB?"

"Radical Muslim" is not a race. Any society that coerces women into wearing these preposterous garbs deserves to be laughed at.


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