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Earth/Creation Brain Teaser

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Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:25:07 PM
that's just one example Megido of how you are not a blank slate. You START not from 0 where I can tell you things and we can have a conversation,but from your own set of beliefs you'll no doubt refuse you have.

You feel that admitting you have beliefs somehow makes you less correct, and will refuse to admit that your beliefs about God, are not conclusions, they are priori statements.

1) You start witht he concept that God is "extraordinary", along with the mantra "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence".

That's incorrect, the whole point of any demonstration is that God is not extraordinary. God is a integral part of the world and therefore needs to be ordinary to some degree.

I could call the big bang extraordinary. Did you require extraordinary evidence for it?


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:13:46 PM
"If people are capable of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are morally correct then the sense of right and wrong must come from elsewhere, or do you stone people to death for working on Sundays? "

" The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine."

John Stuart Mills said that burden of proof is against that which goes against the norm. So theoretically the percentage of atheist and theist should remain the same for all eternity.

The OT can be divided into moral, ceremonial, and judicial. The death of Jesus removed us from ceremonial and judicial, thats why we dont stone people for working on sundays.


primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:10:57 PM
" so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle "
Miracles occur everyday, just not necessarily in the advertised package.
"@ primetimekin: "So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better?"
Yes we would (ex if it was, you would still have the WTC towers), but let it be Athiest. And b4 you god boys say anything.
1. If we all have free will from god, god wouldent mind us not worshiping him. Aslong as you live like a good person he wouldent care.
2. The bible clearly states that a building for worschip (churche) is a big no no. Same for asking money for it.
Try arguing that, thats stuff from the bible god boys :p"

1) If you tell your kids not to do something but you give them the opportunity chose. If they still do it, does that mean you wouldnt care?
2) Funny...Because it also says that the church is the only way for salvation and the OT ask for a donation of a tithe.


Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:53:33 PM
> Baalthazaq

Yay, good to see you again friend. I haven't seen you around a while, thought we'd lost you to the Real world! Great to see you still here!

IAB Reaction: OMG a batpoo-crazy Christian calling a Muslim 'friend' - does not compute... mind asplodes...


Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:50:52 PM
" who was a real man, and is documented historically"
Except we know very little of him other than what is written in the gospels. The history of Jesus Christ somewhat doubtful to say the least. Either you trust the bible or you don't. Not exactly solid evidence there.

cavsrule17
Male, 30-39, Midwest US
 1 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:49:56 PM
@darkhawk:1)"God boys"?honestly?its ok to have your own opinions about something but its not cool to put down other people's beliefs just cuz they're not your own.
2)God put us on this earth solely to worship him.think about it,if he DIDNT give people free will, people would just be like robots without any free will and without the ability to experience love and truly worship.
3)i would love to see the verse where you found that it says in the bible not to build a church.you should definately try checking your facts,cuz im sure i could find several more verses proving you wrong.

Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:45:22 PM
Baalthasaq: The way i see it proving god is your responsibility and not mine. If it worked the other way around we'd never make any progress. If you have an extraordinary claim, you'd better have extraordinary proof. I've seen you post before and it seems that it's always the same rhetoric on your part as well. The "I don't need to explain myself to you" gambit just isn't going to work. Sorry. I'm not trying to compete, i do however question what you say. As you are free to question things. If you don't want to answer that's fine but if you don't want to bother i really don't see why you write these long posts and end up trying to belittle me for being agnostic leaning to the point where i feel comfortable calling myself an atheist (I wouldn't say that god doesn't exist, but i lean strongly towards it).

If you aren't even going to write real posts, what is the point of posting?


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:40:15 PM
For that matter, look up some of my posts on IAB. *I* am not here as a copy paste machine every time someone repeats the arguments I've heard 1000 times before to give them their own personal lecture.

GO FIGURE IT OUT. It's a fundamental flaw that you seem to think I need to be here for you to do that.

Imagine you meet a pretty lady. Would you come on these forums to ask me to put your penis in her ladybits for you? No, you'd figure it the drat out all on your lonesome. Go do that (the figuring part, although if you find someone with ladybits more power to you).


Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:35:54 PM
Oceanbeast: If people are capable of picking and choosing what parts of the bible are morally correct then the sense of right and wrong must come from elsewhere, or do you stone people to death for working on Sundays? Society is not more so morally bankrupt today than it was previously...unless you find masturbation and internet porn to be crimes against humanity. Which you probably do. Besides, people obviously managed to survive and repopulate before the bible ever existed, the fact that we are here to read it today is a testament to that. The bible and religion is no source or either morality or ethics.

And yes, scientists make errors, but god obviously doesn't. That's the big difference. I can agree to some extent that religion helped build society since the peasants in feudal societies were basically pacified by the church and the promise of a grand afterlife but you won't get me admitting anything farther than that.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:30:57 PM
Megido.

I spent 2 years making arguments. Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption. It is perfectly possible for you to make your own arguments.

If you really want, look up my 3000 odd posts, and likely 3 or 4 books worth of argumentation on infidels.org for a more complete breakdown. Including my months of asking Atheists what exactly *any* argument looked like, and if they were willing to make an argument for anything at all that stood up to their own criteria, followed by months of silence.

I'm not here to do your thinking for you, especially not when you see it as a pissing competition that you can "win". It reverts back to "Lalalala, I'm not listening", and a waste of my (limited, non omnipotent) time.

Again and again, nihilism, is easy.


oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:09:19 PM
darkhawk - please enlighten us with those verses, as im not familiar with them but have an odd feeling you quote the old testament, of which many things where changed after the arrival of christ, who was a real man, and is documented historically

oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 4:07:04 PM
"Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists"

the church is made up of men who make errors just like scientists.

"And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won't even begin to argue against it"

not should, they are dwindling. i don't think its that laughable i think you just can't disprove it. and im not talking about the slaughters in africa beacuse of socio political issues or anything like that, im talking abortions (hello there is a drating lifeform growing in there), promiscuity, no self responsibilty/respect, acts done to fill a void in a persons life that lead the degradation of society.


MrTwidget
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 775 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:59:15 PM
I was down until I read, "God created the universe", then I realized I hate westerns.

darkhawk
Male, 70 & Over, Europe
 258 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:52:27 PM
@ primetimekin: "So you are basically saying if we all have the same belief the world would be better?"
Yes we would (ex if it was, you would still have the WTC towers), but let it be Athiest. And b4 you god boys say anything.
1. If we all have free will from god, god wouldent mind us not worshiping him. Aslong as you live like a good person he wouldent care.
2. The bible clearly states that a building for worschip (churche) is a big no no. Same for asking money for it.
Try arguing that, thats stuff from the bible god boys :p

xfairylozx
Female, 13-17, Europe
 130 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:32:49 PM
He didn't know how long a day was, he created the earth because he was getting sick of oversleeping.

krabkat
Female, 18-29, Western US
 795 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:14:03 PM
Okay, just once, just one single time, I would like to look at the comments after something REMOTELY to do with religion and find that we have all had a little laugh or just shrugged and thought "Hm, that was weird" and MOVE ON! Why, why, why do people feel the need to debate religion on a site that's simply trying to bring a little amusement to our lives? Please, try to keep some perspective about these things.


puppies04
Male, 18-29, Europe
 622 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:07:43 PM
Personally i find it a little bit annoying that God chose to put a water walking superman on the earth when it was least needed. People would and did believe anything that so called *spiritual leaders* told them back then so the whole feeding 1000 people and turning evian into chianti was sort of wasted.

You people keep telling me its all about faith but according to your book it wasnt always like that God actually used to perform miracles to prove his power. It's a shame that he seemed to stop doing them just before video cameras were invented.

I really want to believe, so much so that i only ask god to show me 1 miracle (even a recording of one on a major news broadcaster would do) and i will happily give up my job and house and roam the earth converting all the non believers. Until that happens unfrotunatly im just going to have to stick with the opinion that it's all a load of made up crap.


Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:03:40 PM
So if a god doesn't give a hoot about war, disease, terrorism and unjustice...why the eff would he care about raping babies and killing neighbors? :P

mystyocean
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 194 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 3:00:03 PM
Oh good grief...how did I foresee this? I knew this link reeked of religious debating material. Good lord.Don't you people have anything else better to do than argue about "who's god is better"? Person A believes in god and heaven and hell, Person B believes in god, but not in heaven and hell, and Person C believes in no god. But what's the use in arguing? You're only tiring yourselves. I honestly believe if there is a god out there, he or she does not give a DAMN about who we worship, if anything at all, as long as we don't go out raping little children and killing our neighbors.

Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:54:33 PM
"ignorance is bliss, if you do not believe in God then i must ask have you tried not only to read the texts but to understand the timeline and philosophy behind it all? not only is this book The Bible i refer to a major major contributer to what was until a few generations back modern western society, the rising number or non believers is correlated to the degradation of traditional moral values and vice versa, draw your own conclusions"

Another way to look at it is that the church prosecuted and killed scientists, thus holding society back for generations on end rather than bringing us forward. And that people ethics and morals should be dwindling because of secularization is so laughable that i won't even begin to argue against it. The fact that you believe such a ridiculous thing leads me to think that whatever i say will fall on deaf ears.


Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:50:53 PM
If god can't be bothered to remind the people expected to believe in him then why indeed should we bother? What's the point in worshiping a lazy god? I think a "thanks for that whole creation business, but now off to break a few commandments" is about all you'd need. Also if god is all powerful, reminding his minions every once in a while should be a jiffy. It's peculiar how god is all powerful and all knowing sometimes and then all of a sudden he can't be bothered because who would have it in them to show attention to those pesky dudes every 2 hours?

But hey, let's make one thing very clear here...i'm very open to any sort of coherent argument in gods favor that doesn't include blind faith or personal experience. The thing is that i've yet to see it, and your attempts at fumbling it away with your ramblings doesn't exactly prove anything. Other than a lack of arguments that is.


oceanbeast
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 549 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:29:27 PM
ignorance is bliss, if you do not believe in God then i must ask have you tried not only to read the texts but to understand the timeline and philosophy behind it all? not only is this book The Bible i refer to a major major contributer to what was until a few generations back modern western society, the rising number or non believers is correlated to the degradation of traditional moral values and vice versa, draw your own conclusions

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:18:36 PM
But that, Megido, isn't the point now is it.

Lets be clear. Nihilism is easy. It is easy, to purposely misunderstand something, call it a contradiction, stick your fingers in your ears and go "Lalalalalalala, I can't hear you I win". It does not require God to intercede on your behalf.

It is exactly like this original post. There is no argument. It is devoid of logical value. Yet you have quite a few people in this thread going "Yeah totally, LOL, theist FTL".

The question has been answered about 5 times per page in this 12 page thread, yet there are still people who think it has a point. Why would God come and smite you for simply ignoring something that is actually preposterously easy to grasp if you were to expend the same amount of energy thinking about it instead of mutual masturbation with the "unholier than thou" elitists?

I don't expect that anymore than I expect Obama to do my Tax Returns for me personally.


tazman321
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 190 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:13:02 PM
since everyone is having another religious debate, i just thought id clear up some atheists complaints:

"you say we'll go to hell...."

because thats what we BELIEVE, not hatred. you cant have heaven without hell. thats not how christianity, or life works.

"you have no proof....."

neither do you, and we have faith.

"you're hypocrites...."

some of us are, but the good ones arent.

"your priests rape little boys..."

that says nothing about christianity, and that wasnt even 1% of all child molestations.


"you're intolerant."

no we aren't. if anything, you are.

jesus loves you, and i eagerly await your replies.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:09:17 PM
Basically, why would a being with a lifetime of 6000 -> 5 billion years, give us updates every generation?

Lets say you wanted a species to worship you. Lets say the greatest form of life in the universe at the moment was the gastrotrich, and lets say you had the capacity to broadcast telepathically to the entire species at will.

How often would you do it? How quickly would you get bored? If you're not doing it every 2 days, congratulations, you're letting generations of gastros die without knowing the glory of you, you "massive dick".

If the gap was the same as that between any realistic god and us, you'd need to do it every minute. Watching the Full Extended Lord of the Rings set would mean your species could evolve from not having stone tools to being a space faring race.

Why does it surprise you?


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