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Earth/Creation Brain Teaser

Hits: 43688 | Rating: (2.3) | Category: Quizzes & Tests | Added by: Mat
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toneman
Male, 30-39, Asia
 528 Posts
Wednesday, June 17, 2009 6:15:26 AM
Slyguy056, I just have to point out that the very first verse in the King James version states, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." Exactly what passage are you referring to that suggests otherwise. Trust me...the Bible is loaded with contradiction. I do understand that. I'm must curious of your source.

Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:32:25 PM
God just did THIS.

unreedemed
Male, 13-17, Western US
 546 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:29:13 PM
a world without religion.
imagine that?

its just a drating image some smartass made to make people argue and debate.
no one's gonna win, so stop trying.



skorm_avo
Male, 18-29, Europe
 37 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:14:29 PM
We already know how long an hour is (60 minutes or 360 seconds), but then we created the timeglass to represent the exact (stop being pernicity or pedantic) amount of time of an hour.

I suspect that God decided how long 1 day was, and then created the Earth to the exact dimensions, and the created the planet's spin to represent 1 day, just like we did with the hour glass.


Slyguy056
Male, 13-17, Western US
 84 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:12:01 PM
Well, according to the Bible, the Earth existed before the first day! Rotation didn't begin until later

npdarren
Male, 18-29, Western US
 603 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:44:28 PM
I try to keep my mind open about the existence of God. I consider myself atheist, but I would entertain the argument that everything I believe in--e.g, science and math--might be inventions of God to test our faith. There is no reliable proof that God exists nor is there any that proves He does not. By the definition of existence; something composed of matter and energy,God does not technically exist, but that ignores the idea that math, science, and logic might be creations of a supreme being. On the other hand, you cannot say God exists because the Bible proves it, there is no way to determine the authenticity of the Bible's stories. I personally do not believe in God for the simple fact that His existence would upset everything I understand about my own existence, as I'm sure would be the reason for someone to believe He does exist. I also believe people should not be judged based on their beliefs because life often dictates them.

toneman
Male, 30-39, Asia
 528 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:35:25 PM
I would like to make one last comment. The taste of victory last night was do delightful!

There are always so many Christians and never enough lions!


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:32:25 PM
Anyway, almost 8am. I'll be back in the morning if anyone else still is.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:30:57 PM
And by the way Andy, I think you should reread the entire dialogue between me and Megido.

I simply stated that 2000 years isn't all that long.
He was the one who then demanded I prove the existance of a deity, claimed God is obligated to demonstrate himself to him, asked for arguments claiming I had none, and so on and so forth.

All "everyone owes me my education", when he could quite easily find everything I have to offer, without using anything I've written, with Google. I would suggest it would even do him more good.

I then said if he wants my arguments they're available and I don't need to recreate them for him.

you act as if I came in here and out of nowhere said "I have some arguments, but I'm hiding them, muahahaha".

No. He asked me for them, and I provided the first one I could find. Why the criticism?


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:07:40 PM
1) Nothing I introduce is going to be new material. My entire premise is that the information is readily available, and that I am not required for any of his needs. (I'm not saying people should look for *my* arguments, I'm saying people have Google, and the information exists).

2) I would wager you don't know many of my views, let alone my likelihood of changing them or my tenacity for changing other people's.

3) To state two things are mutually exclusive is a positive statement. I get to be lazy on this one. :P However, I also didn't say they weren't mutually exclusive, I'm merely trying to find out "which God he doesn't believe in".

What he finds extraordinary about it, which components he attributes to God, and if they are Christian or more Deist in nature.

Again: Why do you assume just because I question his beliefs that I disagree with them?


Dragonlord
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 742 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:01:11 PM
Answer: Undefined

Andyl
Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:50:28 PM
In fact, how do you expect to debate when you won't even post your arguments because you're already done so elsewhere and you want him to look for them? If anything, you're making the argumentation hard, not him.

You also seem to take the line of "I've thought about this more, therefore I'm right." You also ask him questions which could easily be reversed back at you. Such is the nature of religious debates, many arguments work both ways. For example:

"Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?"

Why do you assume they aren't? Instead of waiting for his replies and rebutting them, give your own logic first and then let him rebut that. I thought you were debating with him, not lecturing him.

Of course I'm not saying that you're 100% wrong, because much of what you say makes sense, but it comes over in a way that makes you look arrogant and self-righteous. You make it difficult for people to debate with you because you talk down to them all


Andyl
Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:40:42 PM
What I hate about religious debate is how certain people arise and are so forceful in shoving their opinions down other peoples' throats that it makes you want to punch them in the face.

Baalthazaq is our 'certain person' today. At every step he falls deeper into the pitfalls of hypocrisy.

"Again, the idea that I should recite them all to you only demonstrates your own self absorption."

No. 1, you've spent 2 years developing arguments. Talk about self absorbed. And although you deny it, you're clearly not interested in changing your views, but changing the views of others. Otherwise you wouldn't feel the need to lecture people.

"That's incorrect" - in a purely speculative debate, such a phrase has no place. You mean to say "I don't share that opinion."

All arguments of this nature are built up from basic assumptions about the nature of God. When you reject those assumptions without clear explanation, how do you expect to debate?


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:40:29 PM
(Incidentally I didn't say the ability to telepathically talk to all of creation was a necessary trait of God, I merely suggested that you had the ability to do so in the analogy, just to keep things "simple").

I also wouldn't classify God as a "being" necessarily if that's going to become important to the discussion.

I don't want arguments about anthropomorphism, I didn't say God was a big dude with a striking resemblance to Santa, despite what the Disney channel may suggest.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:34:52 PM
sorry, should have put this all in one post:

Extraordinary: Define.
Do you actually know of any evidence to support the big bang theory or do you just assume there is evidence because other people told you there was?

Why do you assume the big bang and God are mutually exclusive?

If we're playing that game and making Strawman gods, can we also do strawman big bangs? There is currently 0 evidence in support of what a layman thinks the big bang is. There is plenty for a singularity followed by a universe, but there is none for "nothing" followed by the big bang.

I wouldn't call that evidence extraordinary however, and I would call the big bang so. Do you really think I couldn't word the creation of time and space as extraordinary? Why would it not be fair for me to do so? Why don't you?


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:21:50 PM
Megido:
I already did before you replied.
See my point #4.

Andyl
Male, 18-29, Europe
 297 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 7:03:02 PM
God doesn't exist. He told me himself.

Now while it's always nice to conjure up a huge argument about God, I do realise that it's futile. A post in this forum is insignificant, yet from my viewpoint it is the most important. That sounds familiar...think about Earth. A tiny, insignificant planet in a huge universe and yet for some reason, religion makes it the most important thing in the whole of the universe. Hmm...sounds like the work of an egotistical human to me, and not some divine being.

But that's just pure speculation, of course. I do not think myself right any more than I think myself wrong. But that's the problem. Religious debates DON'T GO ANYWHERE. These debates are fuelled more by opinion than logic, and usually by people who don't even understand enough to be able to argue properly. Most of the time people argue insignificant details. For example, disproving evolution doesn't disprove atheism, and disproving Christianity doesn't disprove God.


ImmortalZach
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:08:13 PM
Agnostic viewpoint! If God created the whole universe I would think he would have no problem creating mathematics for the length of a day.
Baalthzaq pretty much nailed it on the head.

Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:55:36 PM
Oh and i don't think a being with infinite lifespan, unlimited power and unlimited knowledge of past, present and future events could be called anything but extraordinary. Agreed that if a god with supernatural properties (by todays known laws of physics) did exist that would erase the whole supernatural aspect but that's beside the point. If you want to claim that whatever created the universe and life is an intelligent entity with infinite knowledge and power, the capacity to telepathically talk to every human on the planet simultaneously and also give a hoot the burden of proof is on you.

The least you could do in this case then is at least point me in the right direction, as i have no intention to search through IAB history to find your posts. Either post a real reply, give me a link i can visit or, as they say on that there internet; GTFO.


Megido
Male, 18-29, Europe
 441 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:47:37 PM
First off i never claimed that i don't have ideas already, anything else would be ridiculous. I am however, like i said before, open to something that i can perceive as evidence of God existing. For me that is something measurable and not how you word this or that thing. The big bang seems like a likely candidate for how the universe started based on the research done in the field, we have actual data suggesting that it might have happened. I'm still open for other explanations though, as long as there is proof.

And you are correct, my education is no concern of yours but that still makes me wonder why you are posting at all. If you don't want to make a rebuttal then don't. It's not like I'm forcing you. For someone who doesn't want to have this debate again you sure do seem to try hard.

More yakking follows -->


mindwhiz666
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 29 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:39:44 PM
ok my answer is this god knew what a day is for the fact is that he created a day so when he was done he knew by the standard he had created how long it took

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:37:03 PM
Hey Lionhart,
I've been on holiday visiting the US and UK so taken a month off work. Which is why I'm still posting on a weekday despite it being.... wow 4:30... ok maybe bed would still be a good idea.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:35:44 PM
4) Old 16 page argument about what I think a concept of God is as opposed to other theistic interpretations: Here we go.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:32:54 PM
3) "The same rhetoric".

Utterly wrong in intent and methodology. Rhetoric implies I care what you think, and am trying to persuade you to change your mind.

I don't care about your opinion so much as I care about your epistemology. That's why it takes freaking ages to argue with me, because what I'm trying to change, if anything, isn't whether or not you hold opinion X, but whether or not you have any clue how you got to opinion X (or Y or Z).

I have a tendency to find threads like this one, intellectually lazy, literally ignorant (literally ignoring people giving short clear answers to one of the many "impossible questions" posed), and as I said earlier, an act of mutual masturbation amongst an elitist crowd.

If *I'M calling someone elitist, you should get the hint that something is seriously amiss.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:27:24 PM
2) The burden of proof is on you!

Another mantra, correct in part in that anyone making a positive statement in an argument has the burden of proof, but false in that I somehow have an obligation to be the one to do it.

Also false in that I am somehow responsible for your education when I have already provided (endlessly, here and elsewhere), material for you to peruse at your leisure.


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