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IAB Poll-O-The Day: Today's Gay Marriage Banhammer

Hits: 9827 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: Quizzes & Tests | Added by: fancylad
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Siyanor
Male, 18-29, Western US
 1456 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:50:37 PM
I'm not going to read through 20 pages, so this may have been said already... but...

Prop 8 was NOT the right to same-sex marriage, as fancylad indicated. It BANNED same-sex marriage.


madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:49:28 PM
Supersmash, If you met a grown adult who still believed in Santa Clause you might understand how silly you sound now.

ShadowSeraph
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:48:19 PM
By believing in Jesus you inherently believe in God because of the belief that The Son is part of the Holy Trinity, aka: God. However, since you insist on my being specific, I'll rephrase:

The most basic doctrine of Christianity is that God sent part of himself known as the son to become human in the form of a man named Jesus, to suffer and to sacrifice his earthly life so that all who believe in him may be forgiven their sins and be freed of their due punishment.

Is that better? I have spent a large portion of my adult life sifting through all sorts of religious text. You say you know more about religion than I do? Read Mere Christianity by C. S. Lewis. Or try reading through the Bible a few times.


davymid
Male, 30-39, Europe
 11783 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:46:50 PM
vv But Ghandi is currently burning in hell, being tormented for all eternity by demons, right?

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:45:02 PM
"There isnt just 1 rule and you know it! You have a preset bunch of beliefs that allow you to fall into the christian catagory."

Maddog, get over yourself. That is wrong, wrong, wrong. You do not have to prescribe to any set of beliefs to be Christian. The sets of belief you refer to are attached to certain denominations, not the religion as a whole. I am sometimes dumbfounded by what denominations other than my own believe. Though now I'm pretty non-denominational, just Christian.

There is just one belief that you must have. I can believe that there is only one God that all religions share and that I've simply chosen Jesus as my personal path. Religion is personal. YOU cannot ever tell ME what I believe.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:35:01 PM
Though I can't be sure that they are, if those people on death row are truly sorry for their sins, then yeah, they will be forgiven. They must be truly remorseful though. Only God and the person knows that.

To err is human, to forgive is divine.


The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3192 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:34:02 PM
Weeee. We have a winner.

Christians cant even agree what is the most basic of docterine and you have the nerve to call me close minded?

Jebus died on the cross for us is the most basic belief? Really? So what about God (being the one true god as you belive)? That must be part of the equasions because you cant have one without the other?

There isnt just 1 rule and you know it! You have a preset bunch of beliefs that allow you to fall into the christian catagory.

I tell you what guys. I think I know more about religion than you do! come back after a bit of research will you! I'm getting really bored of this circular argument you have going!


madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:30:59 PM
Yeah Christianity gives all Christians a pass on their behavior. That's why 99.9% of death row inmates find god.

The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3192 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:27:56 PM
Oh get off your high horse _Perfection_.

Religion are intollerant of lots of diffrent things. Dont preach tollerance where it dosnt exist.

There is no such thing as true tollerance. It dosnt exist and never will.

To put it into persepctive, I can tollerate someone having a diffrence of opinion. Thats fine,thats life. If everyone was the same it would be very boring. You can dislike who ever or whatever you want...but thats as far as my tollerance stretches. The second you start to put
those beliefs into practice by adjusting laws, denying rights etc, then a line has been drawn and it's time to fight.

That line is diffrent for EVERYONE. Rather than finding a common ground for compromise and having a line that works for everyone, we will forever have this power struggle.

As soon as we all learn to leave each other the hell alone and mind out own damn business, the better the world will be!


ShadowSeraph
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:24:02 PM
"Good grief man..Your defending the undefendable. If you cant even follow the most basic docterine of christianity, you've no right to call yourself a christian."

Christianity's most basic doctrine? What exactly are you saying that is? It would seem to me that Christianity's most basic doctrine would simply be to believe that Jesus died for our sins and that we'll be saved regardless of what others do, think or feel.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:23:17 PM
You are one close-minded individual when it comes to religion.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:21:54 PM
Maddog, there is only one belief that makes someone a Christian. That is that Jesus died on the cross for our sins. That's it. That is THE most basic belief. Everything else is open for interpretaion.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:18:12 PM
"Supersmash, Show me one good Christian and I'll show you someone who hasn't been caught."

You have been misled my friend. Christians do not and never will claim to be perfect. That's pretty much the point. We are all sinners. We all do bad things. That's why Jesus died on the cross. To absolve us of our once and future sins.

Before you ask, yes, that does mean you can do anything you want. As long as you repent and are truly sorrowful and sorry for what you did. Part of that includes not doing it again. You can't ask for forgiveness and then keep doing what you were doing.


_Perfection_
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 1783 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:15:51 PM
Tolerance has increased through the years. Sometimes slowly, sometimes rapidly, but for the past few hundred it has only grown. Except in one area where it has decreased, rapidly. Tolerance for intolerance is quickly approaching nonexistance. Leading to a growing intolerance epidemic!

Are you following? A racist, a bigot, or someone just plain intolerant of someone elses beliefs, are receiving absolutely no tolerance from the same exact people who are preaching tolerance. If you cannot tolerate someone's intolerance, you sir, have just become what you aimed so strongly at avoiding.

Christians are bashed for their intolerance of gays, by gays. Gays are not tolerating Christians!

To be truly tolerant, you must tolerate even that which goes against everything you supposedly beleive in. Regardless of how wrong, immoral, ignorant, close-minded, or stupid you think they are.

"I have decided to stick with love. Hate is too great a burden to bear."--Martin Luther King Jr.


The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3192 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:12:41 PM
Bloody hell SuperSmash. Of course I'm instilling views on you you muppet because YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, ergo you hold the most basic of christian beliefs. Without those belifes you wouldnt be a bloody christian would you, you'd be perhaps a spirtualist.

Good grief man..Your defending the undefendable. If you cant even follow the most basic docterine of christianity, you've no right to call yourself a christian.

At what point did you remove the most basic of common sense from the debate?


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:12:06 PM
Because it's so much to concoct ridiculous arguments: Joan of Arc, Mother Theresa, Obama, Martin Luther King, C.S. Lewis, Abraham Lincoln, Emerson, Darwin (just to name few, the list goes on and on and on and on)...and everyone's favorite, Chuck Norris.

ShadowSeraph
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:08:35 PM
Lol, I'll try to stop taking so long to reply so I don't keep rewording SuperSmash's points. =P

ShadowSeraph
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:07:02 PM
"Let's see...
List of Great Christians:
etc..."

Never mind the ones like Mother Theresa or the countless unnamed Christians that devote their entire lives to helping others because of their beliefs and become doctors and missionaries etc...

There are just as many lunatic athiests. They just have different excuses for what they do. Blaming depravities on religion is just as mindless as blaming violence on video games.

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"Intollerance would be denying another the life they want because it dosnt work with your views, and in essence that is EXATLY what religon is! Dont try to sugar coat it, because you cant."

Er, not so much. Religion is 'in essence' a personal commitment to believe in a higher power and live your own life according to His/Her/Its rules. Enforcing your religious beliefs on others is ridiculous IMO. If I attempted to convert you, it would be because I wanted to save you from spending all of eternity in flames. Outside of that I don't rea


madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:06:48 PM
Supersmash, Show me one good Christian and I'll show you someone who hasn't been caught.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:05:19 PM
Madest, you are doing it again. You chose possibly the worst examples of Christianity on purpose. That's like me pointing out a list of ten people from Nevada who are child molesters and then claiming that all people from the state must be child molestors too.

Or, pointing to Osama Bin Laden and saying all Muslims are terrorists.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:01:47 PM
"Intollerance would be denying another the life they want because it dosnt work with your views, and in essence that is EXATLY what religon is! Dont try to sugar coat it, because you cant."

You're wrong Maddog. Once again, your instilling views into me at your own discretion. At this point, you are telling me what I believe. Your whole argument relies on the assumption that I somehow have something against people who are not Christian. I absolutely do not. There are many paths.

I feel that religion is a deeply personal relationship. I do not care what others believe or believe in. People can choose their own path or choose not to follow a path at all. It's up to them and I hold nothing against them.


madest
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 6455 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:56:00 PM
Let's see...
List of Great Christians:
Ted Haggard
David Berkowitz
Pat Robertson
Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker
Jimmy Swaggert
Lonnie Frisbee
Robert Tilton
John Paulk
Paul Crouch
Lonnie Latham
Richard Roberts
Joe Barron
...The list goes on and on.

The_Maddog
Male, 30-39, Europe
 3192 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:52:11 PM
Infact, come to think of it, your making a stange argument SuperSmash. I know that not every chritian interprets the bible the same..and thats a big issue in itself. Your asking for your rights as as indivdual to not be judged the same as your fellow fundie christian.

Infact you even go as far to expect respect for your views. Thats fine. You can belive whatever you want. No one is being "intollerant" by not agreeing with you.

Intollerance would be denying another the life they want because it dosnt work with your views, and in essence that is EXATLY what religon is! Dont try to sugar coat it, because you cant.

There are things we should be intollerant to, but religious ideologies is not one of them. Without questioning them we simply can not evolve as human beings!


ShadowSeraph
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 21 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:46:23 PM
I believe in evolution, I don't see a reason not to. The Bible doesn't say that Adam and Eve looked just like us and didn't change over the course of history. Evolution also has no definitive proof that we evolved from monkeys as we know them. I have no problem coinciding religion and science. Others may not believe what I do, but like SuperSmash said, there's no reason to criticize the entire religion for the beliefs of some. There are plenty of "reasonable" Christians in the world, they're just considerably less likely to get all high and mighty over something that really isn't that important.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:44:37 PM
Maddog, that's my point. I personally never said that homosexuality is immoral or wrong. Yet, when you put down the entire religion, you put me down as well. You are stereotyping.

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