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IAB Poll-O-The Day: Today's Gay Marriage Banhammer

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dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:05:02 PM
Drugs often lead to violence, and prostitution is legal in some areas.

OldOllie
Male, 60-69, Midwest US
 12984 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:03:51 PM
Marriage has had the same meaning for thousands of years. Look, you can have all the rights; just call it something else like civil union or domestic partnership and keep the language intact.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16740 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:03:44 PM
"who is that harming ?"

People wanting to legalize everything from prostitution to drugs use that argument all the time, It's overused and weak.

It's about the law and order in our society.


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:03:05 PM
C'mon, this one's easy. (Here's a hint: mention incest.)

Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:01:34 PM
Not a single one of those examples is valid. The mentally handicapped don't have the mental capacity to give valid consent. Animals cannot give valid consent. And Minors are not adults.

Also, if I remember right, recent studies are showing that the average age at which people first have sex is not lowering.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:01:11 PM
Crakr.... Students who are minors are not adults, no matter how much they consent.
And enough with the comparing this to bestiality, they are not the same at all, and you know it.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:57:48 PM
CrakrJak, just out of pure curiosity, what specific law from the past has brought about significant unforeseen negative consequences that we are still dealing with to this day?


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16740 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:57:39 PM
Agentk120:

"Mental capacity" Mentally disabled (retarded) people are already seeking rights to marry.

"Consenting Adults" Children are having sex and children at younger and younger ages. High school teachers are fighting to marry their consenting minor students (Even after they've been convicted).

There are some real wackos out there wanting to marry their animals.

Like I said before, This could open a door to these fights and others we can't even think of right now.


WeePee
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 611 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:56:58 PM
it makes me happy, not because i am anti gay marriage or that i am a homophobe. but mainly because it pisses off the liberals so much.

Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:55:09 PM
"Do you want to see further fights like this, That our children and grandchildren have to deal with in the future? Or clarify things now while it's easier to do so ?"
Again, I don't disagree. The line needs to be placed. The correct place for this line is right after the blanket group: Consenting Adults.

There, a line that I can see no leaks in. Give me a single example where consenting adults isn't a fitting line to draw and I'll admit I'm wrong.


Angelmassb
Male, 18-29, S. America
 15498 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:52:09 PM
Indifferent

Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:51:01 PM
A little bad joke to ease the mood:

Boy meets hot girl video


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:49:24 PM
Sorry for my minor absense, I was showering.

Crakr: Because at this point in time, we have not "evolved" enough o be willing to make everything legal. You can't exactly speed up evolution to that extent. And you're missing the little detail being that there are laws put in place to protect others from harm. I can't ever see us legalizing murder or rape. Why? because in those scenarios, someone is being physically harmed. Gay marriage? Tell me, who is that harming? No one has really answered that question yet, that I can see.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16740 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:49:12 PM
"The problem here is that you are insisting that the line be drawn in an unnecessary place that would exclude people"

Even back 50 years ago, No one thought that line needed to be drawn. It was deemed unnecessary, That is not the case now however.

I'm trying to get you to think ahead, What could be the unintended consequences ? You may think it's absurd now, But that's exactly the same way people thought before us and it's came to head in this fight now.

Do you want to see further fights like this, That our children and grandchildren have to deal with in the future? Or clarify things now while it's easier to do so ?


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:42:19 PM
A. Legal citizens who deserve the equal rights guarenteed them by the Constitution
B. Consenting adults with the mental capacity to make such a choice
C. Not hurting anyone at all

All on the basis that you personally don't like it. There is no valid argument for that.


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:40:39 PM
This: "Then why didn't they address the problem in their time ? See the problem ?"

See this: "I wouldn't exactly argue that they would have foreseen such a conflict..."

""The line is pretty clear even now: consenting adults. That's the only line necessary and it has already been established."

The problem there is that "consenting adults" line is NOT in the constitution and never has been. Just because it's a state law now doesn't mean it can't be changed. If "Consenting adults" was included in a constitutional amendment it would close that door.

Just as an amendment saying "Between a man and a woman" would've closed that door back then and it wouldn't even be an issue, That it was done now."
What is your point then? That we need a line that doesn't exist? Yeah, I agree with that. The problem here is that you are insisting that the line be drawn in an unnecessary place that would exclude people who are:


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16740 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:39:03 PM
dragonshadoz: how far are you willing to let our laws evolve right now ? If your going to make that argument, Why not speed up our "evolution" and let everything be legal ? Why not have perfect freedom to do anything ? We have laws and amendments for a reason it's to keep an order to society.

Are you beginning to see why that "Evolving law" idea is radical and dangerous ?


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:38:51 PM
"Welcome to America, home of prejudice to all minorities."

Welcome to Canada, home of very few minorities so they don't have to deal with any issues and can look from afar at nations with actual problems and criticize them as they try to work through them.

Canada is the suburban gated community of the world.


cagel
Female, 18-29, Western US
 277 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:36:12 PM
While this stinks, at least the issues and hurdles are uncloaked.

Frankly, the gay rights and other gender-sexual rights movements still have a major up-hill battle. Many people still view Americanism and the nature of this country's laws and regulations through a Judeo-Christian lens.

Fact is, not matter how much logic you throw out there on this subject, those who simply don't care that the law doesn't gel with their faith and values will ignore you and fight for assimilation.

Frankly, Christians, you are Borg.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:33:58 PM
What is marriage?

Is a set of rights handed out by the state or is it a religious ceremony?

If it's a set of rights, then the government is obligated to grant them to everyone. If it's a religious ceremony, the government has no power to do anything. For many, marriage is a religious event and any rights that come with it are secondary. To them, it's not a quesiton of civil rights, it's a question of religious beliefs. For others, the rights come first and religion doesn't even enter their mind. Unless, they only want to get married to thumb their noses at people who disagree with them. Which undoubtedly makes up a small percentage of same-sex marriage advocates.

There's the divide, I think.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16740 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:33:19 PM
"I wouldn't exactly argue that they would have foreseen such a conflict, I don't think they would be as disbelieving as you think."

Then why didn't they address the problem in their time ? See the problem ?

"The line is pretty clear even now: consenting adults. That's the only line necessary and it has already been established."

The problem there is that "consenting adults" line is NOT in the constitution and never has been. Just because it's a state law now doesn't mean it can't be changed. If "Consenting adults" was included in a constitutional amendment it would close that door.

Just as an amendment saying "Between a man and a woman" would've closed that door back then and it wouldn't even be an issue, That it was done now.


coldCanuck
Male, 13-17, Canada
 299 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:33:11 PM
Welcome to America, home of prejudice to all minorities.

peloos12
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 3765 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:30:29 PM
I refuse to get trapped in this thread, so I'm making a single point on this subject and getting out. Reaching way back for this one...

"I'm upset. If something where you normally are able to reproduce won't let you reproduce you're probably doing it wrong. Seriously, our species isn't made to reproduce with 2 males."

Our species isn't actually made to be married, either. That's a custom we invented ourselves. It's all about reproduction and, ultimately, the sexual attraction you get from the need to reproduce. Some people just so happen to be getting the wrong signals. Deal with it and move on. Our species isn't "made" do anything but live life and accept all of the peculiar things that happen to come with it.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:26:22 PM
I think Paul Martin said it best:

"We all are lessened when any one of us is denied a fundamental right."
"Our rights must be eternal, not subject to political whim."
"Over time, perspectives changed. We evolved, we grew, and our laws evolved and grew with us. That is as it should be. Our laws must reflect equality not as we understood it a century or even a decade ago, but as we understand it today."


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 9:25:02 PM
First, I think you vastly underestimate the genius of the founding fathers. They were pretty damned far-sighted, and while I wouldn't exactly argue that they would have foreseen such a conflict, I don't think they would be as disbelieving as you think.
Second, The line is pretty clear even now: consenting adults. That's the only line necessary and it has already been established. Children: not adults. Animals: not able to give valid consent.

And I'd like to point out that you are talking about people from 200 years ago, you know, when we still enslaved people. Antiquated arguments from antiquated times.


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