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IAB Poll-O-The Day: Today's Gay Marriage Banhammer

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Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:16:40 PM
"rubored - you're missing the point. It's entirely possible that he could. Why couldn't he? Because he's a good, benevolent God? Only if he decides to be. If you dispute that, then you're saying that he operates under a moral code higher than even himself. Yours is a circular argument. And it's absolutely something to worry about if you want to believe in something righteous. Baaaaa."

Well, you see, God is not constricted by the rules of logic. God is beyond comprehension. That's the whole point of religion and faith. It doesn't have to make sense, it transcends sense. (Just to clarify, I am not affiliated with any organized religion, it just annoys me when atheists and other people try to quantify god.)


LoofahBoy
Male, 18-29, Western US
 3481 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:16:11 PM
YEEAAAAARGH, GO INTERNET!!!

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:15:56 PM
I'm *really* going to bed now.

Why don't you actually read the Bible or do a Google search and learn something yourself?

It'd probably be much more beneficial than having me quote or tell you all of these things from personal knowledge.

It's up to you ultimately what you believe, what you do, if you are gay, heterosexual, bi or whatever you want to be.

I'm just stating my view on things, and Christianities view, to perhaps help a few people down the line, to plant the "seed".

I'm not condemning or judging anyone. That's simply not my place.

God bless.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:12:33 PM
God's morals are natural. By that, I mean that His morals are derived from what it takes to live in a civil, safe society. Forget all the "do this, don't do that" in the Bible, the true morals come from The Ten Commandments. If everyone followed them, even leaving out the ones about worshipping God, the world would be a pretty nice place to be.

Apart from what god to worship and when, every religion has basically the same fundamental morals.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:11:25 PM
So why did he suddenly declare these other things to be okay when they weren't before?

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:10:35 PM
Okay, now I'm going to get some sleep. It's past two AM on the east coast. *yawns sleepily*

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:09:39 PM
His ways do not waver. That question is like stating.. If the sun exploded suddenly, we would still live.

Not possible.

There is, however, a third option. As Christians we should affirm both God's sovereignty and His non-derived goodness. Thus, we don't want a standard that is arbitrary nor one that exists outside or above God. Fortunately, God is both supremely sovereign and good. Therefore, God's nature itself can serve as the standard of goodness, and God can base His declarations of goodness on Himself. God's nature is unchangeable and wholly good; thus, His will is not arbitrary, and His declarations are always true. This solves both issues.

Now, in my words, since he declared already that murder isn't morally good, it stays that way.


apeirophobia
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:09:15 PM
SuperSmash, my point is that arguing about homosexuality in and of itself in terms of the Bible is useless regarding this particular topic, because it's not about whether homosexuality is morally right or wrong - either way it's here to stay. This issue is about whether these people (heathens or not) should have the LEGAL right - not the moral right - to get married. In one state.

rubored - you're missing the point. It's entirely possible that he could. Why couldn't he? Because he's a good, benevolent God? Only if he decides to be. If you dispute that, then you're saying that he operates under a moral code higher than even himself. Yours is a circular argument. And it's absolutely something to worry about if you want to believe in something righteous. Baaaaa.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:08:48 PM
"You can have your civil unions at the back of the bus."

Gexxo
Male, 18-29, Western US
 2323 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:05:48 PM
Crakrjak, it's the principle that is the problem. You're treating a minority differently for reasons that not everyone believes in.

I feel this whole gay marriage issue bears some resemblance to the segregation issue (alot actually). Because YOU are different you can't use OUR facilities, you must use YOURS. They are the same thing after all anyway, right? WRONG. Just like in segregation our "facilities" (in this case, civil unions) are painfully lacking in the rights real marriage bestows. A "civil union" doesn't let the joined see each other if one has an accident and goes to emergency.

I don't stand for discrimination of any kind, and this is just blatant discrimination. I'm disgusted by the state I live in, and by this country. Screw patriotism. If this state wants to turn its back one me, then it better not ask me any favors.


dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:02:15 PM
But if he did?
Don't dodge the question.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:02:01 PM
"the Bible does not address gay marriage anywhere. Homosexuality, yes. Gay marriage, no."

Well, in that case, as long as gays who got married promised not to have sex, everything would be fine, right?


rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:00:33 PM
The simple logic is that he hasn't, and he won't, state that.

So, it's not something that we have to worry about, now is it? :)


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:00:06 PM
Lionhart, has there ever been a post about Life, Love, and The Universe?

apeirophobia
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:59:07 PM
On a more serious note: the Bible does not address gay marriage anywhere. Homosexuality, yes. Gay marriage, no.

Secondly, I'm going to invoke the Euthyphro dilemma: is something morally good just because God says so? Then God's morals are arbitrary. If God decided that murder was morally good, would you accept that? If not, then God himself obeys a higher moral code than his own word. How is he all-knowing and the greatest moral being, then?


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:58:59 PM
Oh man, now I'm all alone.

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:58:06 PM
Anywho, I'm going to get some sleep. Goodnight everyone.

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:54:45 PM
Hmm.. At least my posts were about Love, Life, and the Universe, ultimately. :)

Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:54:43 PM
No, but the problem there is separate institutions. Now, we are venturing a little into my own personal preferences, I'll admit that, but the risk of unintended or intended inequality remains strong with separate institutions. I also have a problem with marriage being a state institution in the first place. As I said earlier, marriage should be a strictly religious institution, where they can deny all the gays they want, being a private entity. There should be something like a civil union used exclusively for legal purposes, by the state, and for everyone regardless of sexual orientation.

dragonshadoz
Female, 18-29, Canada
 16276 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:54:28 PM
Crakr: Civil unions are missing 1138 rights given to those in marriage. Very equal...

Lionhart2
Male, 40-49, Australia
 8285 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:54:04 PM
12 Pages - if only we could get that sort of response on a post about Life, Love and The Universe.

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 164 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:52:43 PM
Hey, I have doubt all of the time. But, I can usually find reassurance of my beliefs pretty easily.

Doubt is natural.


CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16136 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:52:11 PM
Tried to keep this thread out of the realm of religion and within the realm of logic, To no avail.

I see now that this will only degenerate into an athiest vs. christian debate. So, G'night.


goaliejerry
Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 4028 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:51:05 PM
There's always an answer....says you.

CrakrJak
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 16136 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 10:49:45 PM
Agentk120: All Prop 8 did was define marriage, It does not exclude gays from getting civil-unions with the same exact rights as marriage.

So tell me exactly how does that exclude gays from coupling or being happy ? Nothing in that amendment says, "Gays can't fornicate", or "Lesbians can't adopt", Or "Gays can't see their partner in the hospital".


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