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IAB Poll-O-The Day: Today's Gay Marriage Banhammer

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MechBFP
Male, 18-29, Canada
 829 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:51:21 PM
The fact of the matter is a "religion" can be anything in the states as long as it gets a license. Scientology, that religion in the states where polygamy is allowed, etc. All complete bullpoo religions. They have no faith and simply exist to bend the rules and break the law in a 'legal' manner. Until the government stops allowing such bullpoo, they can drat with religion all they want.

TKD_Master
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 4827 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:50:24 PM
oh and i love how everybody has written a friggin book in their posts.

TKD_Master
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 4827 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:50:01 PM
i just find it funny how this country was founded on people seeking freedom from persecution. and i really mean funny, as in haha. no biting sarcasm or anything. but idc what they do, gays getting married effects me in no way shape or form.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:47:48 PM
On the other hand, the reason I support civil unions and not "gay marriage" is separation of church and state. I do not think the state should be able to influence the decisions of the Church/Mosque/etc. I also think the term Marriage should be reserved for religious weddings, but all this is personal preference, not critical deductions.

In other words:
If you want a religious ceremony, you cannot go against your Church. It is a ridiculous and empty gesture.

Of course gays should be able to have all the legal rights available unless reasonable argumentation can be made for why not (which I haven't seen), but religiously not so.

I also think this means the people currently running whatever religion it is need to grow up and get a clue, and start doing things for God and not for their own emotional gratification, but that doesn't mean the state should interfere there.


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:47:25 PM
Ok, well, I've gotten my daily dose of political and scientific articles and I can't stare at this screen anymore. Thanks for the debate, later.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:47:24 PM
That brings another point. Maybe people have negative views about homosexuals because it seems like they've rejected the wonder of procreation for the simple pleasure of intercourse.

Though it seems most people have done the same. But maybe it's deep-seated feeling.


boredfjord
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 932 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:45:12 PM
I disagree, Baal. I have never heard of anyone coming to the conclusion that homosexuality is immoral for any reason except religion or culture. Can you find me an atheist who believes that homosexuality is immoral? I imagine there are some, but they are disproportionately few in number.

Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:43:49 PM
"Opposition to gay marriage is not religious. It is instinctual."

Wait, so you mean that we are hardwired to oppose an aberrant form of a human institution? Haha, that's like saying I'm allergic to forks. Learn what instinct is.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:43:43 PM
"There is a clear reason why human beings would evolve to prefer opposite gender to same gender, and shun the alternative."

I can see that among members of our own group, but if males in other groups don't want to procreate, wouldn't that mean less competition for me?


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:40:40 PM
Opposition to gay marriage is not religious. It is instinctual. There is a clear reason why human beings would evolve to prefer opposite gender to same gender, and shun the alternative.

It is the same reason human beings, (and other primates) shun incest naturally. It is(or at least was) advantageous to do so.

The reason it has made its way into religion is more Man's effect on Religion, not Religion's effect on man.

For example, Quran does not define illegal sexual intercourse. It does include a punishment for it. (Imprisonment).

Yet look at most Middle Eastern Countries. Illegal sexual intercourse all of a sudden includes homosexuality, and the punishment is anything up to death. With Religion cited as the source.

No. Weirdy Beardy's are the problem. Not religion. Who have decided against the Quran that Hadith should over-rule it to fit their emotional knee jerks and insecurities.


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:40:27 PM
Smash, that very well could be. You can't exactly put together a successful group of hunter-gatherers if they are constantly killing each other. Society needs a basic morality to exist.

anglefan
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 80 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:39:18 PM
Eh I say if homos wanna be as miserable as the rest of us I say give them that right.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:39:18 PM
On the other hand, if I knew that I could get away with something and would never get caught, what stops me from doing it?

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:37:00 PM
Maybe morals are evolutionary or based on survival. People are capable of vengeance. Therefore, if I kill a member of your family, you'll come after mine. If I sleep with your wife you may kill me. Plus, no one wants to reproduce with an outcast. So, you must abide by the norms of behavior if you wish to procreate.

rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 168 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:31:35 PM
apeirophobia, indeed.

I enjoy it myself when it's been in a civilized manner as it has been so far (as far as I've posted back) in this thread. :)


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:30:01 PM
Maybe, I don't know. I've always figured that morals are rather arbitrary and subjective and that whether or not anything objective exists is irrelevant considering we, being limited and subjective beings, could never know it. Now this might make me sound like a sociopath, but nope, I do charity work and wouldn't kill a bug if I couldn't avoid it. Pretty good for someone with a vast expanse of grey area for personal morality, eh?

apeirophobia
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:28:50 PM
And rubored, you're obviously free to express your view on religion. I'm just logically challenging them - I guess in a similarly obnoxious fashion as Socrates used to do. Also to plant my own "seed".

matrixie
Female, 18-29, Europe
 821 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:25:05 PM
I'm glad to see that the majority of the voters put that they are upset. I'm fed up of homophobic trolls.

apeirophobia
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:24:04 PM
I agree with you, Agentk120. Religion and faith don't have to be rational. But morals do. Morals are not subjective. It's appealing to think they are, but to take one easy example, I don't think anyone would say that murder (that is, wrongful killing) is okay in Civilization X (or Religion Y) just because it's accepted there. There are objective morals (which also explains why certain morals - or commandments - are so prevalent in cultures across the world). Religion absolutely is NOT based on logic (walking on water? hello?). Morals, however, must be. And the whole reason people brought up religion was to make a moral judgment. And I'm saying that religion (not only Christianity) may not be the best basis for objective moral judgment.

Also, I'm agnostic and vehemently pro gay marriage.


rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 168 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:22:52 PM
Well, I'll rephrase. Mine, and many, many others views on the Bible and Christianity.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:22:04 PM
"I'm just stating my view on things, and Christianities view..."

Please don't use your own beliefs to speak for all.


rubored
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 168 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:20:59 PM
I agree, Supersmash.. Eve should have never eaten the apple or given it to Adam, but she was tempted by Satan..

Well, you know the story, hopefully.

But, alas, it was not meant to be.


Agentk120
Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 511 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:20:00 PM
You haven't figured that out yet? Everything is arbitrary.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:19:32 PM
Morals are what separate us from other animals. If God decided to be malevolent we would just be like any other animal. We'd care for our own and try to kill anyone who got in our way.

We never shoud have eaten that apple that burdened us with a sense of right and wrong.


apeirophobia
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 169 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:16:46 PM
And if, from the beginning of time/his own being/inherently in God's essence, he has always decided that murder was morally right? Should we accept it then (in, say, this alternate universe I am proposing)? Moreover, even if he never decides to say that murder (or whatever) is morally good, he certainly is capable of doing so - because he is all-powerful. That is arbitrariness.

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