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IAB Poll-O-The Day: Today's Gay Marriage Banhammer

Hits: 9840 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: Quizzes & Tests | Added by: fancylad
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lukas1051
Male, 18-29, Europe
 3420 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:22:33 AM
I feel indifferent. I really don't care about gay people, let 'em marry, don't let 'em marry, I don't care, it doesn't affect me in any way so why should I waste me time protesting about it.

lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 4:07:47 AM
No more spam amrinkhana12...we don't want to join your facebook...

je_scream
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 766 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:58:50 AM
361 comments in less than 9 hours is crazy, one of the many reasons why I choose not to reply. But I will say this, if you think I meant to literally equate homosexuality with beastiality you're just looking to have something to paint me as a crazy biggot. I said 'what's next bestiality?' it's called hyperbole. I wasn't intentionally drawing a direct link to the two things, but in an effort to generalize that's what I pointed to, to convey a message. So, I feel it was necessary to clear that up. And, I'm just simply against gay marriage besides that I don't care, hell, I'm from NY, I live in lower East Village for Christ sake my landlord's gay, I have NOTHING against gay people. I just feel like marriage is just crossing the line. That's just specifically how I feel. End of story. Nothing more to it than marriage. If you want to make more of it, go ahead, but you guys are going WAY too hard on the subject. I want no further part in it. Laters.

Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11246 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:55:42 AM
"For example, Quran does not define illegal sexual intercourse. It does include a punishment for it. (Imprisonment). "

Actually, the stated punishment is torture, either perhaps to death (100 lashes, very explicit in the Quran: Surah 24:2) or definitely to death (stoning, although that is in the Hadith, not the Quran).

Also, illegal sexual activity is defined to include any and all sexual activity outside of marriage, including thinking about it. That's not in the Quran, but it is in the Hadith.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11246 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:45:29 AM

The reproduction argument would have a point if enough people were exclusively homosexual for it to threaten the continuation of the species, or even enough people locally to threaten the survival of a country. There's no reason to think that many people are exclusively homosexual and even if they were it wouldn't necessarily kill off the birth rate. Artificial insemination is easy with people of normal fertility. It doesn't even need any medical facilities.

I could construct an evolutionary argument in favour of homosexuality, i.e. that it made humanity fitter to survive.

Personally, I think it's like left-handedness - a minor variation of no real importance present in a minority of people. Although homo-/heterosexuality is less important than which hand a person favours, because which hand a person favours is relevant to the design of many things.


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:41:35 AM
je_scream
Female, 18-29, Eastern US
534 Posts Tuesday, May 26, 2009 7:25:41 PM
I'm gonna say what I truly feel and I don't care what anyone here has to say I'm not gonna reply back so have a field day with my comment. So, it's like this, if gay marriage becomes legal, I truly think it's a sign that the end of the world is near. It's a sign of decadence imo, a modern day (no pun truly intended) Babylon. It's not natural and it's backwards. I have NOTHING against gay people, if you're gay then that's your right but do I think they should be able to wed NO. Imo it's like, if we let this slide...what's next? Beastiality? That's how I see it. It's disgusting imo. Take it or leave it. I'm ready for the liberal firing squad that awaits me. Have fun.

ARE YOU SERIOUS???? WAS THAT COMMENT SUPPOSED TO BE A JOKE??? YOU ARE COMPARING BEASTIALITY WITH BEING HOMOSEXUAL? Lord have mercy on the day when your kids come home and they need to "talk" to you....GROW SOME COMPASSION..jee


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11246 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:38:34 AM
"Are you saying the point of me being a woman is to reproduce?????"

From what you quoted, it appeared they were saying that the point of being human is to reproduce. Adding extra question marks won't change that and just makes you look silly.


Angilion
Male, 40-49, Europe
 11246 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:32:55 AM
"Maybe people have negative views about homosexuals because it seems like they've rejected the wonder of procreation for the simple pleasure of intercourse."

Maybe, but I think there are more common reasons:

i) Because they've been told to.

ii) Because they're thinking in subjective terms, i.e. imagining it for themselves, and forming their opinion on that basis. It's like me and cooked cheese. Even the thought of me eating cooked cheese disgusts me, so I could easily think "cooked cheese is disgusting". People casually do that sort of thing all the time. Instead, I try to make the distinction between objective and subjective in my mind. Subjectively, *me* eating cooked cheese is disgusting *to me*. Objectively, there's nothing actually wrong in eating cooked cheese.

The basis of my standard for judging actions is a question - "Is there a victim?". The answer is "no" with eating cooked cheese and "no" with homosexuality


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:30:48 AM
MK1029
Male, 13-17, Canada
4 Posts Tuesday, May 26, 2009 6:12:17 PM
I'm upset. If something where you normally are able to reproduce won't let you reproduce you're probably doing it wrong. Seriously, our species isn't made to reproduce with 2 males.


Are you saying the point of me being a woman is to reproduce????? I will let that slide because your young and you probably heard that from your parents....I am a married straight woman and I don't know if I want to reproduce yet...am I NOT normal???


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:28:16 AM
READ BOTTOM COMMENT FIRST....

Opposition to gay marriage is basically just an act of tyranny of the 'moral majority.' I have no opinion on the 'morality' of homosexuality; I don't believe it could be proven in a court of law that it is a harm to society. I am of the opinion that, IF an institution such as marriage, where civil rights are established, is to be respected by any state (any government), there should be equal protection under the law regardless of the sex of the parties involved. Marriage should, if administered by any state, be in respect to household arrangements only -- not gender relationships, nor relationships to god, nor sexual morality. Otherwise, the state is playing church, and I believe the spirit of the law of our land forbids that.


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:27:33 AM
See what happens when I get a few hours sleep...15 pages and 353 comments!!! Whoa nelly, fancylad you sure have a knack for starting these little "wars" on here...Okay so here's my nickel on the matter:
To----->trp712 Male, 13-17, Australia
YOUR COMMENT WAS VERY WELL ARTICULATED. KUDOS TO A 16 YEAR OLD. Some people in here have a lot to learn from you.

I have a lot to say so I needed 2 post...


Sociophobic
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 373 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:47:45 AM
I know I should care about these things but darn that teen angst, I just don't give a drat unless it affects me. Live and let live, whatever floats your boat, just don't drop anchor in my harbor.

USFEmoGirl
Female, 18-29, Southern US
 1455 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:20:11 AM
Freaking California.... *sigh*

LET THEM GET MARRIED. LET THEM HAVE RIGHTS. DAMN, WTF? This 2009. . . *shakes head*


trp712
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2223 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:08:52 AM
Okay, read all the pages, felt the need to put my two cents in.

I'm a 16 year old male, straight, born and raised Catholic. I try to live my life by what the bible says.

One of the main things the bible preaches is, "Do unto others have you would have them do unto you."

I would prefer if everyone let me live my life in a way which made me happy. I don't see why I should attempt to prohibit people from doing the same.

To anyone who says that, "It's unnatural."

Who are you to say what is right and what is wrong, what is natural and unnatural?

If the shoe was on the other foot, would you want to be rejected because of what came naturally to you?

What i'm trying to say is everyone is human, and everyone has equal freedom, so why is that human freedom being denied?

"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."


boredfjord
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 932 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 1:07:51 AM
Baal, I'm assuming the atheist community is not one what?

I'm quite sure that atheists say fag, but I don't think that they believe that gays are immoral. That's why I said the second bit and not the first bit. I don't know why you but the first bit in my mouth.

I don't feel myself fighting back the instinct of hostility to gays. I was raised in a culture and by parents that taught that homosexuality was acceptable and fairly common, and that anyone would believe otherwise still seems absurd and unjustifiable on any reasoned, ethical ground. t doesn't just seem that way, it is that way. So if any extant natural hostility towards homosexuality can be expunged through proper ethical teaching, then it's not an instinct so strong that instinct is an excuse for continued intolerance of homosexuals.


docwatson
Male, 18-29, Western US
 253 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:48:38 AM
They voted on it. I don't agree with how the vote turned out, but if the people want their voices heard then I hope the courts uphold it. Otherwise what kind of precedent will be set? It's obvious the wheels are turning for everyone to finally get a fair crack at getting married (finally), so one little hiccup won't be stopping the changes.

The REAL matter, I think, is whether the courts can say matter-of-factly that "this is how the people voted, this is what the people will get". To say that a democratic process should be overturned because of the minority vote's evoking an emotive response is silly and certainly NOT how a country should be run.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:30:22 AM
I guess we could only discuss things we all agree on. That'd be fun.

Who here likes to breathe?


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:27:40 AM
Geez...without the kind of constructive debate we've had tonight what's the point of being able to think and talk? Or type.

Link_Hiei
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 5188 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:22:19 AM
"Tried to keep this thread out of the realm of religion and within the realm of logic, To no avail.

I see now that this will only degenerate into an athiest vs. christian debate. So, G'night."

Best thing I read in those 12 pages. People can talk and talk and talk until there blue in the face. If you guys really do agree or not go do something about it with all your points. -_-

Night. :D


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:08:41 AM
Marriage has two components. The state component and the religious component. I agree that the government should have its own separate entity when it comes to recognizing unions between people. If you can find a church to slap a "mariage" label on it, more power to you.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:05:18 AM
Well, separation of church and state has to do with the government pushing religion, establishing a national religion, or discriminating against people because of their religion. If it meant complete separation of anything having to do with religion, why would the Post Office be closed on Christmas? As long as the government doesn't favor one religion over another, they can regulate it some ways. If not, I'm sure people would be sacrificing things left and right.

Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:02:01 AM
Bored: I agree with that. I would be happy with the state creating civil unions for both gays and straights, with the respective religious bodies giving marriages.

That's what I was trying to say.


Baalthazaq
Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, May 27, 2009 12:00:12 AM
To respondants:

Yes, instinctual. Seems exactly what I was trying to say. It has nothing to do with allergies.

Homosexuality cuts down the number of breeders, and therefore the genetic variety available to the group.

Fjord: You're assuming the Atheist community is not one. I've also never heard the term "Sky Fairy", or various bad arguments (Problem of Evil has more rebuttals than pascal's wager), from theists.

I also don't think it's true at all that the instinct isn't there. Are you really suggesting "Fag, homo, etc" are only used by theists derogatorily?

The atheist community has rallied around several talking points where they get to bash religion. Sometimes unfairly, sometimes fairly. Homosexuality is one of those topics where you get to rail on religion and talk about how bad religion is and how superior you are for not being a member.

Apparently somehow it has become popular.


boredfjord
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 932 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:54:26 PM
If marriage is a religious institution, then a secular state has no businesses marrying anybody, gay or straight. And since most people believe that the state should marry, at minimum, straight people, then we, as a society, have either come to view marriage as a legal contract or we have become a theocracy. If it is a legal contract between two private citizens, then it should be legal between any two private citizens irrespective of the organs between their legs.

SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:51:49 PM
"i just find it funny how this country was founded on people seeking freedom from persecution"

They were seeking freedom from their own persecution. I'm not sure they cared about anyone else. For example, Native Americans.


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