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Mancow Gets Waterboarded

Hits: 6423 | Rating: (2.6) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: CrakrJak
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ImmortalZach
Male, 13-17, Eastern US
 440 Posts
Friday, May 29, 2009 8:40:46 AM
People don't understand that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was waterboarded over 100 times in just 2 drating weeks! That proves it's not effective and not morally sound. Ever here of the blowback theory.

cagel
Female, 18-29, Western US
 277 Posts
Monday, May 25, 2009 11:03:28 PM
I find it fascinating that so many people in favor of torturing detainees for information have totally overlooked the massive amount of evidence that advanced torture techniques in an attempt to extract testimony, information, or confession are TOTALLY INEFFECTIVE. Such extracted testimony is WILDLY UNRELIABLE.

ALL research into torture has shown that people will say ANYTHING to save themselves from torture.

There is absolutely no corroborating evidence to suggest that any information gotten through waterboaring or other torture techniques has prevented attacks.

Really, any argument for torture makes me thinking of something Thomas Jefferson once said:

"Force is the vital principle and immediate parent of despotism."


freddyferret
Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 11734 Posts
Monday, May 25, 2009 6:15:12 PM
What a pussy.

rasputin3x
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 80 Posts
Monday, May 25, 2009 4:38:18 AM
so you cant get high off waterboarding? :P

DrCribbens
Female, 18-29, Asia
 66 Posts
Monday, May 25, 2009 2:04:54 AM
One poll using 100 people would be questionable. But I don't think it's unreasonable to trust several polls using thousands of people.

Polls that predict the outcome of elections are less reliable than those polling people's beliefs. The fact that Gallup got something wrong 60 years ago isn't a valid argument for saying that all polls are unreliable.

Anyway, we're going round in circles. I'm not going to argue this any more.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:06:54 PM
Corpsecrank: "During WWII we hung people for using this and it was consider a war crime."

Yeah, but what else did they do to get hanged?


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 5:44:53 PM
Gallup Polls are best known for their accuracy in predicting the outcome of the current United States presidential election. A notable exception is the 1948 Thomas Dewey-Harry S. Truman election, where nearly all pollsters predicted a Dewey victory. The Gallup Poll also inaccurately projected a slim victory by Gerald Ford in 1976, where he lost to Jimmy Carter by a small margin.

Yes, when the Gallup polls 100 people they really represent the majority eh? And of course everyone is so objective when it comes to these polls and NO ONE ever has an agenda....riiiiighhht! You are one of those people who believe the sky is falling if the majority of people believe it huh?

Well hells bells it was in the newspaper and they polled people and they said the sky was falling so........IT MUST BE TRUE!!!!B-|


The_Garuness
Male, 18-29, Europe
 923 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:53:17 PM
splash splash

piranhaboy67
Male, 13-17, Midwest US
 1 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:36:15 PM
ZOMG!!!! my uncles on this!!!! hes the cassidy dude. uncle pat. he also invited mancow to our thanksgiving if anybody actually listens to that show... he didnt come. thank god. but seriously, do people actually listen 2 them?? my mom (cassidy's sister) wont even listen!!! she listens 2 infomercials instead!! AHH!!! never thot id see my uncle on i-a-b tho...

jtrebowski
Male, 40-49, Southern US
 3261 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:32:12 PM
As a Liberal, I still supported our decision to go into Afghanistan (in fact, I thought we should;ve gone into Pakistan and maybe even Saudi Arabia) but when we went into iraq, I knew in my heart,soul, and my brain that this was the wrong move, and a diversion to manipulate the American people. I hate to be so judgemental, but I just can't get over this one. If you fell for Bush/Cheney?Rumsfeld, you're just a freakin' mindless, lock-step, proliatarian number in a society that is just coming back from the brinks of Orwellian Fascism, and you probably still don't know how lucky you are now. With that being said, HOW many days has it been since that spineless, brainless, cowardly diarreah-mouthed conservative that calls himself "Hannity" refused to man-up on his promise that he would be water-boarded? That stupid balless rooster-sucker has no business talking about what we should or should not do to gain intel.

DrCribbens
Female, 18-29, Asia
 66 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 4:10:30 PM
I didn't say all Americans, I said most Americans. And last time I checked my calculator, 64% counts as "most".

And yes, it was 2005 but that was *4 years* after it had been proved and widely publicised that there was no link.

And lostinkorea, yes, you're right. Harris is, along with Gallup, probably the most highly respected and influential polling company in the world, but they're probably just making it all up. My bad.


SuperSmash
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 3770 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:54:34 PM
As an American who will readily admit that I was pretty eager to believe that Iraq had a link to 9/11, though it's clear now that there wasn't, I have to say that one of the main reasons was Colin Powell. He was one of the most trusted leaders in the United States and had served his country with great honor. So, if he said there was a link, I took him at his word.

yellowsquare
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1602 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:47:27 PM
DrCribbens, I have to question the credibility of your sources upon which you base your misguided opinion.

That USA Today link is to an article reporting the Washington Post's poll.

The Washington Post's poll was from 2003. And the Harris poll was from 2005. Your most current statistics are four years old. A lot changes in four years.

And yes, 64% is a majority, but is it a big enough majority to make sweeping statements like, "all Americans think Iraq and 9/11 are linked"?

No.


BrimstoneOne
Male, 30-39, Canada
 2239 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:04:32 PM
"The great masses of the people will more likely fall for a big lie, than a small one." Adolf Hitler

BrimstoneOne
Male, 30-39, Canada
 2239 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:00:04 PM
I wonder, has anyone on this forum looked up the meaning of the word terror and/or terrorist?

Alot of the semantics and arguments made here are ... messed up. I could compare countries, but that be to easy.


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:59:10 PM
*Continued*

thought that the two went hand in hand but I figured out very quickly what Bush was up to and I think a lot of Americans did too. Come on we haven't forgotten the what happened in the early 90's with Hussein and Bush Sr.


lostinkorea
Female, 30-39, Europe
 3631 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:57:17 PM
""Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:46:02 PM
Yellowsquare, the reason that the American government got so much support for the invasion of Iraq is because Bush said "Come on, they were behind 9/11!" and the American people said "Oh, OK then." Even when it was proved without a shadow of a doubt that Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11, most Americans kept believing it.

Check out this link to a USA Today poll showing that 70% of Americans believed there was a link, despite the fact that everyone else knew there wasn't.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/...

And this Harris poll that shows that 64% of Americans think Saddam had strong links with Al-Qaeda, and almost half Americans thought he was directly involved helping the terrorists""

YES CRIBBENS...NUMBER ARE NEVER MADE UP ON THOSE POLLS EH? Initially, yes I think most Americans


DrCribbens
Female, 18-29, Asia
 66 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:49:13 PM
and this Washington Post poll that shows 69% of Americans thinking Saddam was personally involved in 9/11

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data082303.htm

They were the first three I looked at.

So before you accuse me of being ill informed you might want to check your own facts. Thanks.


DrCribbens
Female, 18-29, Asia
 66 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 2:46:02 PM
Yellowsquare, the reason that the American government got so much support for the invasion of Iraq is because Bush said "Come on, they were behind 9/11!" and the American people said "Oh, OK then." Even when it was proved without a shadow of a doubt that Iraq had nothing at all to do with 9/11, most Americans kept believing it.

Check out this link to a USA Today poll showing that 70% of Americans believed there was a link, despite the fact that everyone else knew there wasn't.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-09-06-poll-iraq_x.htm

And this Harris poll that shows that 64% of Americans think Saddam had strong links with Al-Qaeda, and almost half Americans thought he was directly involved helping the terrorists

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=544

and t


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 3029 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:10:49 PM
*continued*

And by the way kevin, do you feel like a REAL MAN since the 13-17 year old girl with the Cookie Monster avatar has come to your defense?

emzrok, Did you read any of what's going on here? Or did you just decide to play referee because you find yourself attracted to kevin?

Seriously, neither one of you is in a position to make the kind of ill-advised comments you have made, but it is the internet after all... any idiot can voice their opinion as you two have shown here.

Look on the bright side Kevin... in a year or two she'll probably be legal!

Somehow, after looking at your latest default pic I don't think that her being jailbait would slow you down at all.

But that's just MY opinion.


osirisascend
Male, 40-49, Eastern US
 3029 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:05:41 PM
kevinmiller0: Only a desk jockey would display your level of asinine behavior, and lack of knowledge.

If you WEREN'T a desk jockey, you'd realize that a) the type of unit I belong to is made up of mostly NCO's, and b) Rank is meaningless. The BEST person for a task is the person assigned to that task.

I'm not mad at you kevin, I'm unhappy that you'd troll someone who is supposed to be a brother in arms.

You're the type of soldier that volunteers for CSD just long enough to get the chance to expend a round or two so you can get your CAB and try to use it to impress one of the little State Department sluts hanging around the palace pool on Thursday night.

Then you go back to sitting behind your desk, or standing behind your counter until your tour is done, then you're the first one in line for the ride to the airport.

I know your kind very well kevin.

Like I said before, you're a disgrace.



yellowsquare
Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1602 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:08:49 PM
DrCribbens, please stop making sweeping generalizations (a la "Americans think they invaded Iraq because it had something to do with 9/11") because it makes your arguments much less credible.

In fact, most Americans know that Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11, and we knew that a long time ago. If you're going to sound intelligent, please make sure you're informed of the facts. Thanks.


NOCASH
Male, 18-29, Canada
 424 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:56:47 AM
crakrjak: as long as you know for sure that they are terrorists i can see your reason and logic to waterboarding, im still opposed to it myself. for those they found innocent and were waterboarded anyways in attempts to gain information, i cant believe that they will take kindly to those actions and personally i believe that when that happened you probably made more motives and vendettas in the eyes of those terrorists still at large.

as to the validity of my knowledge id just like to say it comes from a debate with my politics teacher, sorry for any inaccuracies or errors in my stats im not claiming them to be valid at all.


kevinmiller0
Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 171 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:27:07 AM
Har har. But seriously, was it a month ago? People don't forget.. =)

primetimekin
Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Sunday, May 24, 2009 10:20:43 AM
ok i saw the link, so apparently you still have issues from something that happened over a month ago.
So instead addressing how my sarcasm flew over your head (and probably into the fisherman's head), and that so far all your arguments have been mostly dogmatism, I'm just going assume you either have daddy issues or you are have late PMS.

And the Dunning-Kruger effect doesnt apply since a choice isn't being made. I'd go with the Kobe effect on this one which states, I'm Kobe, I'm better than you.


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