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Obama Gets Sworn Into Office

Hits: 3926 | Rating: (2.5) | Category: News & Politics | Added by: fancylad
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Female, 18-29, Southern US
 167 Posts
Friday, January 23, 2009 4:12:12 PM
/united states fail.

Male, 18-29, Western US
 3279 Posts
Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:41:55 PM

"... you know its congress that passes laws right?"

Umm... duh? What does that have to do with anything? When did I say that it wasn't congress that passes laws?

Male, 18-29, S. America
 15499 Posts
Thursday, January 22, 2009 10:10:25 AM
Obama.. Osama... Hmmm are they brothers?

And yes Im kidding

Male, 40-49, Western US
 265 Posts
Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33:24 AM
Oh screw the U.N. It's a paper tiger. Most of it's power comes from the U.S. Military anyway. Please.

As to the war with Iran, we already HAD the U.N.'s token permission. There was already a resolution on file with the UN Security council saying that if Hussein didn't take some specific actions, he'd be taken out. Hussein had hella long time of not doing what the UN told him, and the UN sat on their hands. So the U.S. finally took action on behalf of the U.N.

As to Isreal and Palestine. Isreal did not steal any land. The Powers that be (who currently are the main powers of the UN) gave that land to the Jews as I recall.

Israel wouldn't find it necessary to take action if the idiot terrorists would get a clue.

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2321 Posts
Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:29:27 AM
"do you guys know that most of your stand points will be seen as on the wrong side of history?"

Yeah, you're right so why don't we all abandon what we truly feel and hop on the side that will be most popular. I would hate it if my opinion wouldn't conform exactly to the masses. Your statement that our viewpoints will be seen as wrong perfectly shows the way that our history is manipulated by the those in power. Just because something went one way doesn't mean that it was the right way.

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:35:50 PM
Yeah, you guys are right, f-ck the UN, who cares about what our powerful allies think, I mean, it no way shapes what the rest of the world thinks of us. I mean, yeah the US should do whatever the f-ck it feels like. That goes for other countries too, I mean, we just just give up on the whole UN thing, f-ck it, right?

Also the point of the invasion being against the charter was the it was a PREEMPTIVE attack, not a defensive one. The agreement we made for UN approvals is not needed as long as it is defensive. Of course we can strike back defensively, but that wasn't what was going on.

I'm not going to get into the election problems that were occurring on that day because if you don't already know about them, then I can't get any point across.

Side note - do you guys know that most of your stand points will be seen as on the wrong side of history? I'm not trying to be a b-tch, I mean if that is what you really believe, I guess there is nothing I can do but face palm.

Female, 18-29, Midwest US
 1 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:24:01 PM
As far as the election goes, in 2000, the Democratic National Committee asked the supreme court to rule who won, which is not technically their job, so they did. LEON HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Check this one out (newspaper headline) from the "USA Today." "Supreme Court Rules for Bush; Gore Aides Expect Concession." There was no election stealing, well, now there is, Al Franken won, thanx to that widely respected group A.C.O.R.N. But as far as that election goes, it was ruled by the supreme court.

Female, 30-39, Southern US
 1129 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:58:15 PM
I wasn't putting 9/11 and Iraq together. I was saying in general a nation doesn't need to ask other nations or the U freaking N to defend itself. Though how many terrorists in the planes or in on the plot itself were from Iraq. The weapons of mass destruction also, Hussein had plenty of time to get them together and get them the freak out of the country before the UN inspectors came. They had ample opportunity while the US and many other nations were busy in Afghanistan. In my opinion, I could care less if there were WMD in the country or not, Hussein was evil ranking up there with Hitler and something, anything had to be done about him. When the military did get in there they found Graves of Mass Death. Wasn't that reason enough? It's like the people who can't believe that there were concentration camps in Germany, Poland, etc. killing people off just because of who they were. It wasn't stopped until we were attacked and actually got in there to see it and finally put and end to it.

Male, 18-29, Midwest US
 2321 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:49:22 PM
The U.N. is a joke.

Male, 18-29, Southern US
 8111 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:28:52 PM
"I know this is way over but, prime - I was talking about the 2000 election, not the 2004 which, if you don't want to ignore everything we have learned about it, there was absolutely something going on there."
A president wins electoral and loses public, not the first time.

". There wasn't approval from the UN"

Pfft, the UN? What were they gonna do, write a very mean letter (the league of nations did that to Hitler. UN has about the same amount of power)

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:23:18 PM
AHHHH abby0315, you make me CRAZY. 9/11 and Iraq have nothing to do with each other. We didn't go invade there because of 9/11 but that is what everyone wanted you to think.

I can't believe there are still people who can't put that together. Holy sh_t.

Female, 30-39, Southern US
 1129 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:06:09 AM
Since when does a nation have to get permission to defend itself when they are attacked. I suppose we should have asked the world if it was okay to go after Japan after thousands upon thousands of lives were lost in Pearl Harbor. In the past nobody has ever had to ask permission from the other nations to go to war with another. The world has just never worked that way. Did Germany in the 30's and 40's ask the other nations if they could set up ghettos and concentration camps to kill not only Jewish people but just about any one that didn't fit their requisite. It's naive to think like that. America was attacked on Sep 11, 2001 and not only did Americans die, but members of other nations. Those nations should have been equally angered about the loss of their members. In the end though American people, buildings, and planes were the targets of the attacks.

Its saying to the enemy: Please come and kill more people while we wait to to get permission from Mommy and Daddy at the UN

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:18:25 AM
Yes israel is made up of people who took that land by force. Much like the romans. And much like the romans, they are seen as an evil empire by the people who don't want to change their way of life. Even though the romans brought higher education, better technology, more organized government, and generally a better way of life, the people refused to change. You might argue that it is their choice to live as primitives if you like, that is fine, but don't expect to have an equal seat in society and expect your voice or opinion to even MATTER if you arent willing to be a part of a civilized society. The do nothing, they contribute nothing. They are given the tools, science, education, technology, and the only thing they can come up with is to brainwash their women and their children and use the technology to further a primitive culture and lifestyle. Science delivers them acid, and they use it to splash a woman's face because she dared show it in public.

Male, 30-39, Eastern US
 475 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 10:08:37 AM
yeah this thread is obviously dead, but i feel i should comment here.

RE: Israel
Your statistics on israel are well founded. that being said, Peace in the middle east will come from one thing and one thing only.

When those people and their governments begin working towards a single goal of building an infrastructure, producing goods, trading in the markets and playing ball on the global level, they will understand that peace is not only beneficial for their survival, but is in fact more profitable and better for their standard of living. As it is now, they hold onto tribal and medieval ways of life injected with modern weapons. If Hamas spent more time trying to build an infrastructure, govern their people effectively and try and make the best of their situation, they MIGHT find out that they could just bleed israel of money for good instead. But no, they just continue acting like primatives with guns.

Female, 18-29, Eastern US
 400 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 9:18:19 AM
I know this is way over but, prime - I was talking about the 2000 election, not the 2004 which, if you don't want to ignore everything we have learned about it, there was absolutely something going on there.

It is not an exaggeration to call it war crimes. It was an illegal war. There wasn't approval from the UN which we needed because it was a preemptive attack and thousands of people have died as result.

I understand you think that it is okay that we went to war without permission but the UN still saw it as a violation of the charter we had agreed to after World War II.

It makes me mad that lives could've been saved if we had followed the law because we might have had a chance to come to the conclusion that there were no WMD's.

I mean, hey maybe not, maybe we would've eventually gotten the okay from the UN to invade but at least we would've been following the rules. It would've eliminated all these "what if's."

Female, 13-17, Europe
 1661 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:15:24 AM
aaaw he was so nervous at the start he got all confuzzled! Bless :)

Male, 18-29, Eastern US
 2239 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 7:28:56 AM

and baalthazaq i'm completely with you on the israel thing. the more i become aware of what is actually going on there the angrier i get about america's support of israel. if you really want to piss yourself off go see that new critically acclaimed movie waltz with bashir, which in effect tries to take all of the blame off of israel for the sabra and shatila massacres. stylistically its amazing though, but it's pretty blatant israeli propaganda.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 2543 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:49:28 AM
obama is great and everything but just wait until the topic of abortion and gay marriage comes up.

Male, 40-49, Midwest US
 1378 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:07:33 AM
Baalthazaq, are you talking about the middle east or the U.S.? Because in the U.S. millions of women, children, and men were killed in the 1800's to clear land so that "Good Christian White Folk" and railroads could control the lands. This has never worked out for the Native Americans, 90 percent live below the poverty level except the other 10 percent that have a casino. Is this what awaits Palestinians? God I hope not. I like Israel and the Israelis, but they have to come up with a way to rectify this so they don't continue this cycle of violence, Palestine doesn't have the means to do this.

Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:13:48 AM
Seriously, defending thousands upon thousands of civilians based on a right to defend themselves on land 80% of them are immigrants to, from a population that is 90% native?

I suppose you;d also be in favour of me taking your house and claiming it was alright to shoot you and your family in "self defence" because "otherwise, they might have attacked me".

Utter moron indeed. Think for 10 seconds about what you're defending.

Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 4:10:58 AM
700 Palestinian civilians dead.
3 Israeli civilians.

Perhaps there's a reason people don't internationally share your outrage. Probably something to do with the fact that Palestine's "atrocities" stack up to the same death toll as a car accident, whereas Israel's stack up to a 9/11 every 4 years (not counting the invasion of Lebanon or the current attack on Gaza).

Male, 40-49, Western US
 265 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 3:39:15 AM
Anyone defending Hamas' attacks on Israel is a complete and utter moron. Where was all the outrage when Hamas fired rockets into Israel? Everyone was quiet then. The world's outrage seems to be saved only for anti-Israel causes. Only the destruction of Hamas and Hezbollah will allow for peace in the middle east.

As to the Inaguration, I'm glad to see our country still works. I was against Obama being elected, but I can still feel proud that we can have a peaceful regime change that doesn't involve bloodshed.

Obama is a good talker. I'll be more impressed if he's actually able to achieve some of his goals, however unrealistic they may be.

Male, 18-29, Europe
 223 Posts
Wednesday, January 21, 2009 12:46:33 AM
Less talk, more action.
Godspeed Obama, you may need it.
Bush Jr will always be my favorite American President though, simply because he's funny as h€ll:D

Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:51:22 PM
Also in the even later ceasefire:
"The first death after the cease-fire was a Palestinian farmer who was shot dead by Israeli soldier while checking his farm in Khan Younis, on January 18 morning"

Yet again, first blood goes to Israel.

As for more civilians killed:
"As of 19 January 2009, 13 Israelis have been killed during this conflict, including three civilians. On the Palestinian side, it is estimated that 1,314 individuals have been killed (0.089% of the population), including 700 civilians, among them 410 children and 85 women"

Israel fails on every single possible metric without convoluted addendum.

Male, 18-29, Asia
 4753 Posts
Tuesday, January 20, 2009 11:44:35 PM
"It is well known palestinians fired rockets into Israel". So?
We're talking about 1) first breaking the agreements of the ceasefire, and 2) the first attack.

"A six-month truce between Hamas and Israel expired on 19 December 2008.[50">[51">[52"> Contending that Israel had not lifted the Gaza Strip blockade and following an Israeli raid on a proported cross-border tunnel in the Gaza Strip on November 4,[53"> Hamas resumed its rocket and mortar attacks on Israel. After announcing, on December 19, that the truce was "over",[54"> Hamas offered to consider extending the truce on December 23.[55">[56">[57">[58"> On 27 December 2008, Israel launched its military operation with the stated objective of defending itself from Hamas rocket fire."
Wiki Link

THEN (Important word for timelines) Hamas fired ro

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